;Torture done correctly is a terminal process" is so old-school...
Just out of suriosity .. do you have any of the poems or a location for them? Sorry
for the
delay in answering them.
Deirdre
On 21 Nov 2002 at 23:17, James A. Donald wrote:
>
> --
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:33:39AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> > > To flesh this out a little more
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, cubic-dog wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>
> > At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> > >Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
> > >No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any
> > experience
>
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote:
> The British Army in Northern Ireland in the 1970s used to make alleged
> IRA people stand with hoods on leaning against a wall listening to
> white noise for long periods of time. When you collapse you are beaten.
Just sit down and get it over with, y
At 08:42 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Even if it were possible (which I doubt) what's the point in even
> mentioning it since most people tortured ar
Steve Schear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I read some books in my youth on SH and found I could put myself in a self-
>induced altered reality state from which I could not be easily awakened.
I've had that too, listening to pre-election party political broadcasts.
>physical abuse might be thwart
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> It's not some New Age weekend camp when you imprisoned and beaten by
> your captors.
And, BTW, yoga is hardly New Age. It's quite ancient, precedes written
history in fact.
--
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybersha
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> > I've also worked with self hypnosis quite a bit, and it's useful,
> >but I'll
> >say again, anyone fairly adept at yogic meditation would not have much
>
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 21:14 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
I should think that a bit of practical training in self hypnosis could
thwart sensory deprivation. I read some books in my youth on SH and
found
I could put mys
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
> At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote:
> >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
> >
> >>The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
> >>convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
> >>nearl
At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
nearly anyone.
The effects are supposed to be a lot worse than you would imagine wh
You probably should have tried it on about 5 (dried) grams of psilocybic
mushrooms or a good dose of ayahuasca instead of the acid. They're both much
more suited to dark and quiet while acid seems to really like light and music.
Really very different things -- McKenna wrote quite a bit about th
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> >Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
> >No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any
> experience
> >with them) don't modify the experience a great de
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
>
> > The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
> > convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
> > nearly anyone.
>
> Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is sup
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
nearly anyone.
Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is supposed to be extremely
effective, although with the potentia
At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
>No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any
experience
>with them) don't modify the experience a great deal either. Certainly
not
>to upset anyone this much, this f
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
> The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
> convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
> nearly anyone.
Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
No big deal. Note that psychoactives
--
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:33:39AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> > To flesh this out a little more - the judge was Stephen
> > Trott, speaking on September 18 2002 at the Commonwealth
> > Club. Trott credits the torture warrant idea to Alan
> > Dershowitz, whom he describes as a good fri
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:33:39AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> To flesh this out a little more - the judge was Stephen Trott, speaking on
> September 18 2002 at the Commonwealth Club. Trott credits the torture
> warrant idea to Alan Dershowitz, whom he describes as a good friend and a
> "great civ
On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Greg Broiles wrote:
At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote:
I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge
sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the
San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said
Adam wrote:
> The Russians, Americans and I believe others have moved from
> physical to psychological methods which have proven to work
> better than actual physical pain. I recall reading a story
> on Abdul Murad, the Al Qaeda member arrested in 1995 in the
> Philipines, where the way they f
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:30:42PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
| On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
| >
| >>to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than
| >>this,
| >>they will have unknowingly destroyed t
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than
this,
they will have unknowingly destroyed the real data. (Perhaps a 3rd
key is
needed that DOESN'T destroy the original
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