Ah, close but not the same. I was talking about cards that you hand
to the cops who stop you.
-Declan
On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:50:00PM -0400, Greg Newby wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:26:46PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking along the same lines as David. Stickers i
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Aimee Farr wrote:
> You can protect privacy without depriving people of the right to protect
> themselves.
Only a lawyer, or crack head, could have thinking that fucked up.
'protect privacy' is equivalent to 'right to protect themselves'.
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Matt said:
> So I guess the moral of the story is that if you must record the
> police you should do so clandestinely.
The Court addressed this:
"Followed to its logical conclusion, the dissent would encourage drug
manufacturers to mount hidden video cameras in their facilities so they can
capt
On an adult level, companies that adopt "1984ish" employee monitoring
policies know not what they do
On a societal level, we are responding to feelings of pervasive
surveillance. "THEY" got it - we don't. Do we feel threatened? What we you
do? ANSWER: http://www.indymedia.org. That is more th
Jon Beets wrote:
> police should not have the same
> standards as regular citizens
> when performing their public
> duties...They work for the people
> and therefore should be accountable
> for the people just like any boss
> should be able to monitor their
> employees
Some of you know Hugh
I was thinking along the same lines as David. Stickers in windshields
would work. I've also seen folks selling the "these are my rights,
cop" cards. Seems to be a market opportunity to add another line to
them.
-Declan
On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 07:56:08AM -0700, David Honig wrote:
> At 04:20 PM
Keep in mind that the Mass. decision that started this thread
only dealt with *surreptitious* recording. Mann's "shooting back"
is still allowed even in Mass. as long as it's obvious what you're
doing.
-Declan
On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:20:56PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2001,
BTW, Mass. has always been "funny" about electronic surveillance. State
history is very interesting, and so is the law. (Early on, their police
wouldn't wiretap, it was not "gentlemanly." Ahem.)
Consider the traditionalist two-party states and ponder on the true nature
of the historical parallels
> Isn't the ruling not specific to recording the police,
> but that MA has a two-party recording rule?
Correct.
You might find it interesting that a number of states are considering (or
revisiting) visual recording statutes. One form has a privacy expectation
and exceptions for prisons, security
Gurly cypherpunk Aimee wrote:
#
#Critics of contemporary surveillance law point out that we
#increasingly live in a world where THEY can spy on you, but you
#can't spy on THEM. Governments, business and employers are like
#bad parents that say, "*I* can do it -- but you can't."
, July 16, 2001 10:56 AM
> To: Eugene Leitl; Greg Newby
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
>
> At 04:20 PM 7/16/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
> >On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Greg Newby wrote:
> >
> > Mann's "
a, New Hampshire,
Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington.
Peter Trei
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:51 AM
> To: A bomb named 'Mike'
> Subject: Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is
At 04:20 PM 7/16/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Greg Newby wrote:
>
> Mann's "shooting back" is rapidly
>getting outlawed.
Heh, some of Mann's work involves pseudo-cameras (or dark acrylic plates
on your shirt, or leds under domes on your backback), so can we look forward
to
Eugene Leitl wrote:
#
#What we're getting (surprise, surprise) is that recording of
#the public is allright but not recording *by* the public. Mann's
#"shooting back" is rapidly getting outlawed.
I'm not one to make apologies for this sort of thing,
and perhaps I skimmed the articl
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Greg Newby wrote:
> This is a good opportunity to urge cp's who haven't yet, to read David
> Brin's "Transparent Society." It's pie in the sky, but essentially
> advocates having cameras everywhere, so that anyone anywhere can tap
> into a video feed.
Brin's scenario is sym
ubj line is descriptive, but somewhat misleading.
> >
> > ~Aimee
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim Choate
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 6:47 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
> > >
> > >
> > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/14/0834224.shtml
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/14/0834224.shtml
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