This discussion has touched on a variety of topics, some of them at cross
purposes.
If you catch one cop in black ninja gear inside your house, and shoot him,
at least in California, you'll probably have legitimate self-defense claims,
and if he did yell "Police", well, dead men tell no tales.
Sh
At 06:50 PM 08/11/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, A. Melon wrote:
> >What is needed, seriously needed right now, is some good, open source
> > surveillance dectection software. Something that would find key-logger
> > software or hardware, something that would check your pho
At 8:59 AM -0700 8/8/01, Tim May wrote:
>(Sandy and Black Unicorn will doubtless consider it "bellicose" to
>say that if I ever find a black-clad ninja rustling around in my
>house, I expect to treat him as I would treat any other such
>varmint. A double tap in the center of mass.
You might wa
Somebody asked:
> >>1) Are the secret warrants always revealed eventually, regardless of
> >>whether a court case happens or the evidence is introduced? Is
> it possible
> >>that there are N never-revealed secret warrants for every warrant
> >>discussed i
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From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Secret Warrants and Black Bag Jobs--Questions
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2001, at 04:03 PM, Dr. Evil wrote:
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> >
wiretapping
to other officers that could be used to collect legal grounds for
admissible search against people not directly related to the initial
wiretapping. In the LA case, this was sometimes as simple as "be at X at Y
time", where the tipped off LEO could observe an incident "accide
At 03:53 PM 8/8/2001 -0700, Black Unicorn wrote:
>From: "Sandy Sandfort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > [...] In California, there is the presumption
> > that anyone in your house (at least after dark, though I'd have to research
> > that) is there with the intent of causing death or great bodily harm.
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:59:55AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> So much for the Fourth Amendment, which was designed to protect against
> precisely this kind of police and state snooping. When a scrap of paper,
> issued in secret, enables the king's men to wander through a house, the
> "secure in on
On Wednesday, August 8, 2001, at 04:03 PM, Dr. Evil wrote:
>> I agree with Dr. Evil about the unlikelihood of it ever happening, but
>> if it
>> did, I think the intruder is toast. In California, there is the
>> presumption
>
> Actually, now that I think about it, I think it is essentially
> i
the proceeds of the tap in court, or disclose its existence.
>1) Are the secret warrants always revealed eventually, regardless of
>whether a court case happens or the evidence is introduced? Is it possible
>that there are N never-revealed secret warrants for every warrant
>discussed
> I agree with Dr. Evil about the unlikelihood of it ever happening, but if it
> did, I think the intruder is toast. In California, there is the presumption
Actually, now that I think about it, I think it is essentially
impossible for it to ever happen. If it were to happen, it is almost
certai
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From: "Tim May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:59 AM
Subject: Secret Warrants and Black Bag Jobs--Questions
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2001, at 10:24 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
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> >
Black Unicorn wrote:
> I didn't realize any states but Virginia
> still held this old "burglary" definition.
> Are you certain that's current law?
No, but I'm about to leave town on business so I won't be looking it up. My
recollection is that California law actually IMPROVED from the viewpoint
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Secret Warrants and Black Bag Jobs--Questions
> Tim wrote:
>
> > 2) What happens in these breaking-a
Here's the most comprehensive source of case law covering the subject I've
ever seen:
Computer Crime and
Intellectual Property Section (CCIPS)
Searching and Seizing Computers
and Obtaining Electronic Evidence
in Criminal Investigations
"This publication provides a comprehensive guide to t
x27;ve wondered about two main things vis-a-vis these "black bag jobs"
inside the U.S.:
1) Are the secret warrants always revealed eventually, regardless of
whether a court case happens or the evidence is introduced? Is it
possible that there are N never-revealed secret warrants for
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