Fwd: Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-27 Thread for_spam
ct: Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB) > On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 20:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > On the rockbox mailinglist i used a VALID email address > > for_spam seemed invalid at first glance - it *appe

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-27 Thread for_spam
>The problem here is that you were politely asked to stop doing something >and your response was: >1) I want to use the software the way I want to use it. It's too hard >to use it any other way. >2) You shouldn't be bothering me because I love open source. >3) Everybody else is doing it. >Thes

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message: - >From: Patrick J. LoPresti [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 26 Mar 2003 12:11:50 -0500 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic >Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB) > [snip] >Oh, I almost forgot. Here is m

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-26 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
This is my last message on this thread. No, really. Most responders so far have essentially been sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU". I am not sure where people learned this forensic technique, but it does make it pretty obvious who has the stronger ar

RE: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-26 Thread Gary R. Van Sickle
Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: [snip, yeah I'll bite] > My main point is that an engineer has as much business interpreting > law as a salesperson has telling an engineer how to design a system. > PFHHT! Never had an engineering job, huh? > At issue here are people who distribute something for fre

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32(~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Charles Wilson
Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: FWIW: I am not a lawyer. And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. guys, I can't believe you fell for this. *Do Not Feed The Trolls*. See LoPresti's other contributions to civil discourse: http://cygwi

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 12:06:57AM +0100, roland wrote: >ooops - what a thread :) >thanks - it was very interesting to see such different point of views. > >As a resumee, I basically mostly agree with Pat: > >>At issue here are people who distribute something for free along with >>Cygwin. They inc

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread roland
ooops - what a thread :) thanks - it was very interesting to see such different point of views. As a resumee, I basically mostly agree with Pat: >At issue here are people who distribute something for free along with >Cygwin. They include full credit and links to the Cygwin source code, >which is

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Robert Praetorius
> > FWIW: I am not a lawyer. > And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. Just for reference, if someone's looking for a lawyer not to ignore, that would probably Eben Moglen, FSF general counsel and board member (also a professor of law and legal history, formerly a cl

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 03:20:29PM -0500, Robert Praetorius wrote: >I'd say that he ought to be prevailed upon to right a document on how >non-lawyers can help with GPL enforcement, but he probably has and I >just haven't found that link yet. I suspect that http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message: - From: Patrick J. LoPresti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25 Mar 2003 14:41:16 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB) >>Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:28:09PM -0500, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: >Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>At 09:36 2003-03-25, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: >>>Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> FWIW: I am not a lawyer. >>> >>>And therefore, everything you have said may be

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:41:16PM -0500, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: >Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Just to be clear: Providing a simple link to the Cygwin sources is not >>adequate. > >So you keep saying. Is that a legal opinion on the meaning of the >license, or a personal req

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pat, > > At 09:36 2003-03-25, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: > >Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > FWIW: I am not a lawyer. > > > >And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. > > Et tu? I require neither qualificati

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 12:36:15PM -0500, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: >Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> FWIW: I am not a lawyer. > >And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. > >Until this alleged GPL violator receives a "cease and desist" order >from an attorney,

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Randall R Schulz
Pat, At 09:36 2003-03-25, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > FWIW: I am not a lawyer. And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. Et tu? Until this alleged GPL violator receives a "cease and desist" order from an attorney, he has no reas

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Elfyn McBratney
> Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > FWIW: I am not a lawyer. > > And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. > > Until this alleged GPL violator receives a "cease and desist" order > from an attorney, he has no reason to even consider modifying his > behavior.

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-25 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
Charles Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > FWIW: I am not a lawyer. And therefore, everything you have said may be safely ignored. Until this alleged GPL violator receives a "cease and desist" order from an attorney, he has no reason to even consider modifying his behavior. (Except to be poli

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32 (~7.5MB)

2003-03-24 Thread Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson wrote: [a bunch of stuff] FWIW: I am not a lawyer. I do not speak for Red Hat. I am not employed by Red Hat. I speak only for myself. But I've endured enough of these stupid license squables on enough lists to have learned a few somethings about the GPL... --Chuck -- Unsubs

Re: Another GPL violation: Re: Minimalistic Build-Environmentforwin32(~7.5MB)

2003-03-24 Thread Charles Wilson
To dig into this, this will cost me HOURS ! And how many hours do you think went into setup, cygwin, and all of the ports? Any tips for an easy solution ? Uploading a few source tarballs to your website is a hell of lot easier than recoding everything from scratch. Remember, the GPL says that i