[computer-go] Human Learning against MoGo

2009-02-15 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello, During the last week (February 10 - 13, 2009) there were several exhibition games between program MoGo and some professional go players from Taiwan (Jun-Xun Zhou 9p; Li-Chen Chien (12 years old) 1p; Shih Chin 2p). First of all congratulations tothe MoGo team for winning one game at handic

Re: [computer-go] Human Learning against MoGo

2009-02-15 Thread Thomas Wolf
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > Hello, > ... > > When you follow this line of thought, the results of Tainan > show that the computer go community will also now (and likely in > future, too) have to fight with the problem/phaenomenon of quick > human learning (as has been the case a

[computer-go] Fuego performance

2009-02-15 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! Just FYI, someone might find interesting that latest SVN of Fuego still does not seem to be on par with Mogo public release 1 (not that it would claim to be - I was just curious where do they stand against each other). I ran 86 19x19 games with both on the same hardware (single core of

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

2009-02-15 Thread Yamato
> I ran 86 19x19 games with both on the same hardware (single core of >A64 X2 6000+, 2G RAM) with 20 minutes S.D. each, the rate is MoGo win >83.3% (+-4.1). How did you set the time to 20 minutes S.D.? MoGo doesn't update the clock if you don't send time_left, and Fuego does. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

2009-02-15 Thread Petr Baudis
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:27:51AM +0900, Yamato wrote: > > I ran 86 19x19 games with both on the same hardware (single core of > >A64 X2 6000+, 2G RAM) with 20 minutes S.D. each, the rate is MoGo win > >83.3% (+-4.1). > > How did you set the time to 20 minutes S.D.? MoGo doesn't update the > cl

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

2009-02-15 Thread Yamato
>Oops, good point. I used just: > > ../gogui-1.1.4/bin/gogui-twogtp -black './mogo' -white './fuego' >-auto -size 19 -komi 7.5 -alternate -games 100 -sgffile "mogo-vs-fuego" >-verbose -time 20 > >But apparently MoGo doesn't honor the time settings completely this way. >I will rerun it with --

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

2009-02-15 Thread Markus Enzenberger
Petr Baudis wrote: Just FYI, someone might find interesting that latest SVN of Fuego still does not seem to be on par with Mogo public release 1 (not that it would claim to be - I was just curious where do they stand against each other). Fuego is weaker than MoGo on 19x19. With 15 min game

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

2009-02-15 Thread Darren Cook
> So Fuego is still about 200-250 ELO below the strongest programs on > 19x19. However, it is by far the strongest open source program existing > on both 19x19 and 9x9, and one of the strongest programs overall on 9x9. > ... > had hoped that making Fuego available under an open source license > wou