[computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread Darren Cook
I have a strong interest in seeing a 19x19 computer go program that is at least 3-dan by 2010. The recent jump in strength on the 9x9 board has given me new hope and I want to ask people here, especially the authors of strong programs, what you now need to make the next jump in strength. There seem

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread Michael Williams
I'm not the author of a strong program, but I'll throw another item into the list: more incentive. For many, computer go competes for time with many other hobbies and perhaps even a day job. Darren Cook wrote: I have a strong interest in seeing a 19x19 computer go program that is at least 3

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread Ray Tayek
At 06:23 PM 7/27/2008, you wrote: I have a strong interest in seeing a 19x19 computer go program that is at least 3-dan by 2010. we all do. but as the programs are only about 10-kyu these days, we will be lucky to get to the small kyu ratings by 2010 and then you will hit a hard wall. i thi

RE: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread David Fotland
The traditional programs are around 10 kyu, but the new ones are 2 to 4 kyu, at least on KGS. I've seen some handicap games against dan players that are consistent with these ratings. It wouldn't surprise me to see 1 dan from an MC program before 2010, running on an 8 processor mainstream system.

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread Jason House
Personally, I think the next big strength jump would come from combining localized searches/sequences with the global search's MC playouts. I know my project is still playing catch-up with the stronger programs. I always recommend to new developers that they join forces with other developers to re

RE: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread Ray Tayek
At 07:53 PM 7/27/2008, you wrote: The traditional programs are around 10 kyu, but the new ones are 2 to 4 kyu, at least on KGS. I've seen some handicap games against dan players that are consistent with these ratings. wow. that's impressive. can one buy these or just play the on kgs? It woul

RE: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-27 Thread David Fotland
On one processor the current experimental version 12 has a 4 kyu kgs rating. The new algorithms scale well to multiple processor cores, and 8 processor PCs with the new Intel 8 core chip will be available late this year. I haven't tried handicap games, but the new version beats many faces 11 over