Re: [spam probable] Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-12-01 Thread sylvain . gelly
Le Vendredi 01 Décembre 2006 21:26, steve uurtamo a écrit : > > In fact, I think we say the same thing, simply using > > different meaning for the > > same word. By "random" you mean "uniformly random", > > and I don't mean that, I > > simply mean random (in the sense of random > > variable). > > w

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-12-01 Thread steve uurtamo
> In fact, I think we say the same thing, simply using > different meaning for the > same word. By "random" you mean "uniformly random", > and I don't mean that, I > simply mean random (in the sense of random > variable). what distribution is currently being used? s. ___

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-12-01 Thread sylvain . gelly
> > I think I disagree > > with the statement "an evaluation that only > > understands final scores will not > > make a strong go program" depending on what you mean > > by random. > > here i will interject by agreeing with the > statement that "an evaluation that only > understands final scores wi

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-12-01 Thread Magnus Persson
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also, there are a lot to improvements to do in MC in a quite short term, so I share the point of view of Rémi, Don and some others when saying that MC programs will fill the gap with classical programs in 19x19. And this can be soon. Now, it is the work of the "classic

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-12-01 Thread sylvain . gelly
Hello, > On 11/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To give an idea of the scale (at least for MoGo), 70k simulations/move > > (with the best parameters) against gnugo 3.6/level 8 gives 89% in 9x9, > > 68% in 13x13, 32% in 19x19. > > This is still not assessment of scalability.

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-11-30 Thread Chris Fant
On 11/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To give an idea of the scale (at least for MoGo), 70k simulations/move (with the best parameters) against gnugo 3.6/level 8 gives 89% in 9x9, 68% in 13x13, 32% in 19x19. This is still not assessment of scalability. Each of those 70k sim

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo is the future of 19x19

2006-11-30 Thread sylvain . gelly
Le Vendredi 01 Décembre 2006 00:20, Darren Cook a écrit : > >>> I believe that MC will be the only way to write a GO program in the > >>> near future leaving the other stuff in the dust ... > > > > ... > > I am certain it is for 19x19. Just look at the KGS games of Mogo on > > 19x19. I played one