Re: [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-07 Thread Tapani Raiko
> > I could see a case where it is possible to reduce a variance of a single > > variable even in the 0-1 case. Let us say that black has about 5% chances of > > winning. If we could (exactly) double the chances of black winning by > > changing the nonuniform sampling somehow (say, enforce bad move

Re: [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-07 Thread Olivier Teytaud
As I have spent a lot of time trying to guess what could be done for Quasi-Monte-Carlo or other standard forms of Monte-Carlo-improvements in computer-go, I write below my (humble and pessimistic :-) ) opinion about that. Let's formalize Monte-Carlo. Consider P a distribution of probability. Co

Re: [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Gokey
Tapani Raiko wrote: It seems that there are at least three cases: 1: Choosing a random move from a uniform distribution 2: Choosing a random move from a nonuniform distribution (patterns etc.) 3: Choosing a move taking into account what has been chosen before The concensus seems to be that numb

Re: [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-06 Thread Luke Gustafson
It seems that there are at least three cases: 1: Choosing a random move from a uniform distribution 2: Choosing a random move from a nonuniform distribution (patterns etc.) 3: Choosing a move taking into account what has been chosen before The concensus seems to be that numbers 1 and 2 are MC a

Re: [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Gokey
ivan dubois wrote: I dont understand how you can reduce the variance of monte-carlo sampling, given a simulation can return either 0(loss) or 1(win). Maybe it means trying to have mean values that are closer to 0 or 1 ? Well strictly speaking I agree the standard models don't fit that well - t

Re: [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-06 Thread Tapani Raiko
It seems that there are at least three cases: 1: Choosing a random move from a uniform distribution 2: Choosing a random move from a nonuniform distribution (patterns etc.) 3: Choosing a move taking into account what has been chosen before The concensus seems to be that numbers 1 and 2 are MC and

Re : [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-06 Thread ivan dubois
Envoyé le : Mardi, 6 Février 2007, 14h33mn 09s Objet : [computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC) Upon continuing to learn about the general Monte Carlo field, I've found it seems there is a general consensus in this community about a distinction between Monte Carlo (MC) and wh

[computer-go] Monte Carlo (MC) vs Quasi-Monte Carlo (QMC)

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Gokey
Upon continuing to learn about the general Monte Carlo field, I've found it seems there is a general consensus in this community about a distinction between Monte Carlo (MC) and what appears to be commonly called Quasi Monte Carlo (QMC). MC is defined as using random/pseudo-random distributions a