Re: [Computer-go] AlphaZero paper difference between 2017 and 2018

2019-04-04 Thread Yuji Ichikawa
Yamashita san, About your question, I think that the answer is yes. AlphaZero Symmetries seems successfully saturated. That means that 20b neural network with symmetries has a capacity to learn at most 21M full games. If you let the network to learn 21M full games without preprocessing inputs fo

[Computer-go] AlphaZero paper difference between 2017 and 2018

2019-04-04 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi Ichikawa san, Thank you for nice explanation. I think your guess is maybe right. And 2018 nature paper might have no mistake. I had checked carefully both Figure 1. 1. 2017 reaches AlphaGo Lee in 170,000 step. 2018 reaches in 80,000 step. 2. 2017 and 2018 reach "AlphaGo Zero(20 block)" in si

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaZero paper difference between 2017 and 2018

2019-03-31 Thread Yuji Ichikawa
Yamashita san, Go version in AlphaZero 2017 finished the training in 34 hours according to Table S3. And it looks like AlphaZero Symmetries in AlphaZero 2018 finished the training in the same time according to Figure S1. So I think that the authors had adopted AlphaZero Symmetries in 2017 paper

[Computer-go] AlphaZero paper difference between 2017 and 2018

2019-03-31 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi, Number of learned positions from a game record pos steps minibatch games AlphaGoZero 293 ( 700,000 * 2048) / 4,900,000 3 days AlphaGoZero 219 (3,100,000 * 2048) / 29,000,000256 x 40 block, 40 days AlphaZero 2017 137 ( 700,0

[Computer-go] AlphaZero paper difference between 2017 and 2018

2019-03-31 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi, I found AlphaZero paper Table S3 is different 2017 and 2018. 2017 2018 Mini-batches 700k 700k Training Time 34h 13d Training Games 21 million 140 million Thinking Time 800 sims, 200ms 800 sims, 200ms Training Time is 3