Re: [Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

2018-12-09 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
the patent is functionally meaningless. Who is >> there to sue? >> >> Moreover, there is no enforceable patent on the broad class of algorithms >> that could reproduce these results. No? >> >> s. >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 4:16 AM Jim O'Flaherty

Re: [Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

2018-12-07 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Tysvm for the clarification, Tokumoto. On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 8:02 PM 甲斐徳本 What's insane about it? > To me, what Jim O'Flaherty stated is common sense in the field of patents, > and any patent attorney would attest to that. If I may add, Jim's last > sentence shou

Re: [Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

2018-12-06 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
suring the ground all around this area is sufficiently salted to stop anyone from attempting to exploit nearby patent claims. Respectfully, Jim O'Flaherty On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 5:44 PM Erik van der Werf wrote: > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:28 PM Rémi Coulom wrote: > >> Also,

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Wow! Tysvm for the explicit _online_ game record. White was FineArt. And Ke Jie, even granted a two stone handicap, lost in a reading contest in a life/death struggle between two groups leading to the resignation by move 78. That's astounding! Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
h2 > because it is as strong as he is. Thanks, Ingo, for the iink to the > forum. I have the games and will share them. > > Michael > > On 1/21/18 6:22 AM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > > It's unclear to me who played black with the two handicap stones. Ke Jie > or F

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
It's unclear to me who played black with the two handicap stones. Ke Jie or FineArt? On Jan 21, 2018 1:56 AM, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Stefan Kaitschick posted this in the German computer go forun: > http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=6728.msg215694#msg215694 > > His

Re: [Computer-go] difficult things for alphazero

2017-12-08 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Dave, To whom is the "your" in your first sentence referring? There is no context from which to derive to whom you are speaking. On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dave Dyer wrote: > > Without reference to your specific ideas for games that might be > difficult to solve, I wonder where these game

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm

2017-12-07 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
ess. If you are interested, I would be happy to post the rules for the game. Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO Precision Location Intelligence, Inc. <http://www.precisionlocationintelligence.com/> • Irving, TX, USA 469-358-0633 <4693580633> • jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com • ww

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-26 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
It's related to this line of thinking by Douglas Hoffstadter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_(software) Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO Precision Location Intelligence, Inc. <http://www.precisionlocationintelligence.com/> • Irving, TX, USA 469-358-0633 <46935806

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-26 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
When I get time to spend dozens of hours on computer go again, I plan to play in Robert's area with semantic genetic algorithms. I am an Architect Software Engineer. Robert's work will allow me better than starting entirely from random in much the same way AlphaGo bootstrapped from the 100K of prof

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
ars to fit just fine on this list. If the person holding the theory spams the crap out of this list, then we can address that as a separate concern just like we did with another email list member just under two years ago. Again, I appreciate your respectful tone. Thank you, Jim O'Flaherty

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
in from posting non-Go related diatribes ESPECIALLY about other participating members. Respectfully, Jim O'Flaherty On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 5:42 AM, wrote: > On 2017-10-23 at 23:56, Thomas Rohde wrote: > > > On 2017-10-23 at 19:15, Xavier Combelle > wrote: > > > &g

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-23 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
mple compressed dump of it somewhere. Then, it would be just a matter of getting it loaded into a DB to create all sorts of indexes, queries, novel subsets, etc. Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO Precision Location Intelligence, Inc. <http://www.precisionlocationintelligence.com/> • Ir

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-23 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
That's exactly to what I was referring; the 29 million games. The amount of data science delta analysis that could be done with that would be fantastic. On Oct 23, 2017 11:42 AM, "Robert Jasiek" wrote: > On 23.10.2017 14:05, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> Couldn'

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-23 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Couldn't they be useful as part of a set of training data for newly trained engines and networks? On Oct 23, 2017 2:34 AM, "Petri Pitkanen" wrote: > They are free to use in any attribution. Game score is a reflection of > historical fact and hence not copyrightable. Dunno what use them are to >

Re: [Computer-go] What was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1?

2017-05-23 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I have now heard that AlphaGo one by 0.5 points. On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > The announcer didn't have her mic on, so I couldn't hear the final score > announced... > > So, what was the final score after the counting of

[Computer-go] What was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1?

2017-05-23 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
The announcer didn't have her mic on, so I couldn't hear the final score announced... So, what was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1? ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/li

Re: [Computer-go] Patterns and bad shape

2017-04-18 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
uter-go.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim O'Flaherty *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 7:05 AM *To:* computer-go@computer-go.org *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] Patterns and bad shape It seems chasing down good moves for bad shapes would be an explosion of "exception cases", like combinatorially

Re: [Computer-go] Patterns and bad shape

2017-04-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
It seems chasing down good moves for bad shapes would be an explosion of "exception cases", like combinatorially huge. So, while you would be saving some branching in the search space, you would be ballooning up the number of patterns for which to scan by orders of magnitude. Wouldn't it be prefer

[Computer-go] AlphaGo returns in May...

2017-04-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Looks like AlphaGo is returning in May (next month): http://www.wired.co.uk/article/deepmind-go-alphago-china-may-2017 ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] dealing with multiple local optima

2017-02-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
NEAT and hyperNEAT are awesome when "evolving" fairly simple networks with a very limited number of input and output dimensions. However, without access to some serious computational power, scaling the NEAT method up to the kind of level you would need for the current encoding methods for the input

Re: [Computer-go] Notes from the Asilomar Conference on Beneficial AI

2017-02-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I like your perspective, Adrian. It is more inline with the fractal nature of knowledge itself. And the idea that computers might be able to computationally explore deeper iterations in the fractal space than are currently possible within human neural cognition is quite exciting. On Fri, Feb 10,

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

2017-01-09 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
David, that's a fantastic and succinct summarization. Tysvm! On Jan 9, 2017 12:19 AM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > > On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: > > Two amateur players where analyzing a Game and a professional player > happened to

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

2017-01-07 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
ek" wrote: > On 06.01.2017 23:37, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> into a position with superko [...] how do you even get AlphaGo into a the >> arcane >> state in the first place, >> > > I can't in practice. > > I have not provided a way to be

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

2017-01-06 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
a game of Go. On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > On 05.01.2017 17:32, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> I don't follow. >> > > 1) "For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for > AlphaGo to train on that particular p

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

2017-01-05 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
That was a quite elegant way to present the idea. Ty for sharing. On Jan 5, 2017 8:36 PM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > This discussion reminds me of an incident which happened at the EGC in > Tuchola 2004 (maybe someone can find a source for this). I don’t remember > all details but it was about like

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

2017-01-05 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
both avoid it and then to optimize it to exploit the state itself. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > On 05.01.2017 16:14, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for >> AlphaGo >> to train on

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

2017-01-05 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for AlphaGo to train on that particular pathway. And it would emerge two strategies. The first would be to avoid the state in the first place. And the second would be to optimize play in that particular state. So, the human advantage w

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

2017-01-04 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Tysvm for posting that! I had predicted it was AlphaGo from the beginning. If there is a competitor emerging, I think we would have seen some sort of publicity around it, if not just to provoke a response with the AlphaGo team. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Janzert wrote: > On 1/2/2017 7:05

Re: [Computer-go] Poll: Scientific Breakthrough of the Year 2016

2016-11-30 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Using Windows 10 and Chrome, I voted successfully. I also posted a link to it on Facebook. On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Michael Alford wrote: > I've tried Firefox and Safari on Mac, and Firefox and Chrome on Debian. I > have used the link and accessed the page from the main page. In all >

Re: [Computer-go] computergo.org domain

2016-09-27 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Are you implying this email list will stop functioning if this domain isn't renewed? On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Joshua Shriver wrote: > My domain expires in 6 days, so heads up it's free to grab if anyone wants > it. > > -Josh > ___ > Computer-g

Re: [Computer-go] Video of Aja Huang's presentation

2016-07-07 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Awesome! Tysvm! On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Igor Polyakov wrote: > Here it is: > > https://youtu.be/KoIv7oYZ8wc > > On 2016-07-06 12:03, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > > Any chance someone has put this on Youtube for those of us who primarily > consume videos on phones

Re: [Computer-go] Video of Aja Huang's presentation

2016-07-06 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Any chance someone has put this on Youtube for those of us who primarily consume videos on phones or tablets (where a 2.0GB is very large to store locally)? And if so, replying with a link here would be deeply appreciated. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:38 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wr

Re: [Computer-go] Keynote Lecture by Aja Huang

2016-06-16 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I enthusiastically second that! On Jun 16, 2016 1:15 PM, "David Fotland" wrote: > Can the lecture be recorded or broadcast for those of us who can’t be > there? > > Regards, > > David > > > -Original Message- > > From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On > > Behalf

Re: [Computer-go] Creating the playout NN

2016-06-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
BTW, by improvement, I don't mean higher Go playing skill...I mean appearing close to the same level of Go playing skill _per_ _move_ with far less computational cost. It's the total game outcomes that will fall. On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > The pu

Re: [Computer-go] Creating the playout NN

2016-06-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
The purpose is to see if there is some sort of "simplification" available to the emerged complex functions encoded in the weights. It is a typical reductionist strategy, especially where there is an attempt to converge on human conceptualization. Given the complexity of the nuances in Go, my intuit

Re: [Computer-go] GRS

2016-06-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Have you considered using either of the two high level Go AIs (mentioned on this email group this last week) as your end-of-game live-group estimator (and could even use their scoring mechanism, too)? On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Henry Hemming wrote: > Unfortunately I had to make some chang

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo to play against Ke Jie

2016-06-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Until it comes officially from Demis Hassabis, it's a rumor to drive traffic to the "leak" announcer. On Jun 10, 2016 9:25 AM, "Falk Heuer" wrote: > According to China Daily from 31.5, they are probably playing in October. > http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-05/31/content_25554898.htm

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo to play against Ke Jie

2016-06-04 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
This is SO exciting. On Jun 4, 2016 10:01 PM, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > during the amateur World Championships in Wuxi > the new president of the international Go Association, > Yang Jun'an, announced that Chinese young star Ke Jie > will play against AlphaGo. > > No fi

Re: [Computer-go] Leela 0.6.2, OpenCL support, including GTP engines

2016-06-04 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
This is wonderful, both the engine and the UI. And the fact the engine is available alone, is awesome! Tysvm! On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > Hi all, > > I've done a major update of Leela, including integration of DCNN, and > optional usage of OpenCL to speed things

Re: [Computer-go] Crazystone on Steam

2016-05-27 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Tysvm! The video on Stream is a very nice touch. And the first review rocks! On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Andreas Persson wrote: > Congrats on the Steam release of Crazystone Rémi! Hope it will sell well. > For people that haven't seen it here is a link > http://store.steampowered.com/app/47

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry requirement of "

Re: [Computer-go] Is Go group pattern recognition by CNN possible?

2016-04-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Petr, Tysvm! I really appreciate that. Jim On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Josef Moudrik wrote: > Thank you! > > Dne čt 21. 4. 2016 11:17 uživatel Petr Baudis napsal: > >> Hi! >> >> Since "the record's stuck", I have found this as another rant without >> point, and djhbrown hasn't resp

Re: [Computer-go] OmegaGo

2016-04-20 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
The td;lr I got from his "treatise" was "be cautious investing in mimicking AlphaGo's success, or you will be electrocuted by some Jacob fella" djhbrown's been doing pretty well recently staying related and relevant to the subject area. This is the first time in awhile he's wandered this far off i

Re: [Computer-go] Beginner question : how to choose a board representation

2016-04-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
What programming language and OS environment have you chosen? On Apr 10, 2016 2:19 AM, "Jean-Francois Romang" wrote: > Hello to everyone ; I'm a newcomer in this list and computer go > programming. I have a chess programming background, but I want to start > something new. :-) > I'm currently in

Re: [Computer-go] "English Explanations" based on Neural Networks

2016-03-31 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
amount to get a small payoff just to begin to sound out where the threshold of diminishing returns might be on the top down approach. Jim On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 08:51:30AM -0500, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > > What I was addressin

Re: [Computer-go] "English Explanations" based on Neural Networks

2016-03-31 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
utcome remains a low probability. That said, I wish whomever takes on this project the very best of luck because I will very much enjoy being wrong about this...at someone else's expense. :) Jim On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 09:58:48AM -0500,

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

2016-03-31 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Ingo, That's precisely what has my knickers in a twist regarding djhbrown; his prior behavior. I'm with you in that I hope that he better manages his participation and uses list feedback to spend a little more time filtering what his "creativity" so it fits closer to the listening of this specific

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

2016-03-31 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Robert, This is exactly why I think the "explanation of the suggested moves" requires a much deeper baking into the participating ANN's (bottom up approach). And given what I have read thus far, I am still seeing the risk extraordinarily high and the payoff exceedingly low, outside an academic con

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

2016-03-30 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I don't think djhbrown is a software engineer. And he seems to have the most fits. :) On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:37 PM, uurtamo . wrote: > This is clearly the alphago final laugh; make an email list responder to > send programmers into fits. > > s. > On Mar 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "djhbrown ." wrote:

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

2016-03-30 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I agree, "cannot" is too strong. But, values close enough to "extremely difficult as to be unlikely" is why I used it. On Mar 30, 2016 11:12 AM, "Robert Jasiek" wrote: > On 30.03.2016 16:58, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> My own study says that we canno

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

2016-03-30 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
My own study says that we cannot top down include "English explanations" of how the ANNs (Artificial Neural Networks, of which DCNN is just one type) arrive a conclusions. If you want to translate the computational value of an ANN into something other than the essential operation that it is perform

Re: [Computer-go] *****SPAM***** Re: UEC cup 2nd day

2016-03-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Which one is Remi's? On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:09 AM, David Fotland wrote: > There was one program (Shrike) that had a dnn without search. It didn’t > finish in the top 8. Zen and Crazystone have custom DNN implementations. > Dark Forest uses Torch. The rest used Caffe. > > Remi's implementat

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo (Statistical significance of results)

2016-03-22 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I think you are reinforcing Simon's original point; i.e. using a more fine grained approach to statically approximate AlphaGo's ELO where fine grained is degree of vetting per move and/or a series of moves. That is a substantially larger sample size and each sample will have a pretty high degree of

Re: [Computer-go] Go Bot for the Browser?

2016-03-19 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
This is wonderful! Tysvm for reposting! On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Álvaro Begué wrote: > A while back somebody posted a link to a browser implementation of a DCNN: > https://chrisc36.github.io/deep-go/ > > Would something like that do? > > Álvaro. > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:44 PM,

Re: [Computer-go] computergo.org

2016-03-19 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
So I hear you volunteering to create and maintain that site/page? {smirk} On Mar 19, 2016 6:40 AM, "Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira" wrote: > Instead of just redirecting, it could be a directory page for: > - various Nick Wedd pages > - CGOS > - mailing lists > - the game AI forum > - news sites > - aggr

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo & DCNN: Handling long-range dependency

2016-03-14 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Whatever the case, a huge turn has been made and the next 5 years in Go are going to be surprising and absolutely fascinating. For a game that +2,500 years old, I'm beyond euphoric to be alive to get to witness this. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Darren Cook wrote: > > You can also look at t

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo & DCNN: Handling long-range dependency

2016-03-14 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
ll level. And your right about the more rigorous meaning of teacher (or Sensei) being quite a bit further away. I'm hopeful other AI breakthroughs outside of the Go domain will help close the gap more quickly. On Mar 14, 2016 9:21 AM, "Robert Jasiek" wrote: > On 14.03.2016 08:59,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo & DCNN: Handling long-range dependency

2016-03-14 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
"Who cares if the best chess program is 400 or 600 points stonger than best human. They are strong enough." This is a very limited view of this domain to think the only intention in creating a Go AI is to play against humans and beat them. There is a much larger and richer world of values we get t

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

2016-03-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I'd expect this achievement by AlphaGo is very similar to when the first human ran a 4 minute mile. No one had done it prior. However, right after Roger Bannister did it, suddenly there were people all over the planet doing it. Roger Bannister essentially made the possibility real, and then the psy

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

2016-03-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
. This >> way AlphaGo will be forced to demonstrate its full strength over >> a whole game >> which we are all too curious to see. >> >> Thomas >> >> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Aja Huang wrote: >> >>

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

2016-03-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
has won the match against Lee Sedol. But there are >> still 2 games to play. >> Aja >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim O'Flaherty < >> jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It was exhilerating to witness history being made! Awesome! >&

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

2016-03-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
It was exhilerating to witness history being made! Awesome! On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:17 AM, David Fotland wrote: > Tremendous games by AlphaGo. Congratulations! > > > > *From:* Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] *On > Behalf Of *Lukas van de Wiel > *Sent:* Saturday, March

Re: [Computer-go] Finding Alphago's Weaknesses

2016-03-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I think we are going to see a case of human professionals having drifted into a local optima in at least three areas: 1) Early training around openings is so ingrained in their acquiring their skill (optimal neural plasticity window), there has been very little new discovery around the first thir

Re: [Computer-go] Finding Alphago's Weaknesses

2016-03-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I just realized that game 2 happened last night. ARGH! Stupid timezone error. On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > I was surprised the Lee Sedol didn't take the game a bit further to probe > AlphaGo and see how it responded to [...complex kos, complex ko f

Re: [Computer-go] Finding Alphago's Weaknesses

2016-03-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I was surprised the Lee Sedol didn't take the game a bit further to probe AlphaGo and see how it responded to [...complex kos, complex ko fights, complex sekis, complex semeais, ..., multiple connection problems, complex life and death problems] as ammunition for his next game. I think he was so as

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-08 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Congratulations, AlphaGo and team. And by resignation! That's fantastic! Anyone know where the tipping point was? Did Sedol get the end game order just slightly off and AlphaGo took advantage? Or was their an earlier poor move by Sedol and/or surprising (and good) move by AlphaGo? I'm WAY too weak

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

2016-02-22 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Aja, My anticipation couldn't be any higher, I don't think! I wish you and your AlphaGo team the best of luck! Namaste, Jim On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Aja Huang wrote: > Hi Ingo, > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:49 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > wrote: >> >> By the way: is

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Robert, How have these things emerged in the chess AI world following Deep Blue and Kasperov's loss over a decade ago? To what degree does "human expert details of chess theory matters" (where the term "matters" is pretty squishy). From what I can see, that is not what happened and while I am not

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

2016-02-02 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
16 3:03 PM, "Rainer Rosenthal" wrote: > ~~ > Robert: "Hey, AI, you should provide explanations!" > AI: "Why?" > ~~ > > Cheers, > Rainer > >> Date: Mon

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

2016-02-01 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Robert, I'm not seeing the ROI in attempting to map human idiosyncratic linguistic systems to/into a Go engine. Which language would be the one to use; English, Chinese, Japanese, etc? As abstraction goes deeper, the nuance of each human language diverges from the others (due to the way the human

Re: [Computer-go] The Game AI Forum is back

2016-02-01 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Richard, I'm probably missing the obvious, I went to the forum, but was unable to find a forum specifically for Go. I found Abolone, Hex and several others. Thank you, Jim On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Richard Lorentz wrote: > Thank you very much. Personally I find it much easier to keep

Re: [Computer-go] The Game AI Forum is back

2016-02-01 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
t to move there, I feel that splitting into two online discussion places > would be detrimental. I won't censor topics about the game of Go on > game-ai-forum.org, though, if you really want to post there. > > Rémi > > On 02/01/2016 02:56 PM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > &g

Re: [Computer-go] Replicating AlphaGo results

2016-01-28 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I think the first goal was and is to find a pathway that clearly works to reach into the upper echelons of human strength, even if the first version used a huge amount of resources. Once found, then the approach can be explored for efficiencies from both directions, top down (take this away and see

Re: [Computer-go] Number of 3x3 patterns

2015-11-03 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Ah. That makes sense. It's a pattern centered on a possible next move. Very cool. Tysvm for explaining. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Am 03.11.2015 um 20:24 schrieb Jim O'Flaherty: &g

Re: [Computer-go] Number of 3x3 patterns

2015-11-03 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I don't see how "leave the center empty" works as a valid case, assuming this it just any valid 3x3 window on the board. Given bots playing each other, there can be 9x9 clumps of a stone of the same color. I can see it being argued there is no computational value in this specific pattern instance.

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I second Peter's response. On Oct 10, 2015 10:33 AM, "Peter Drake" wrote: > I'm also for no limits, if only because there's no way to enforce them. > > If there is to be a limited division, I'd like to see all programs run on > identical hardware. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Hiroshi Yamas

Re: [Computer-go] Goggernaut Russia+China vs The World stalled machine cycles

2015-10-03 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I think you enjoy seeing what you write and/or visually concoct. And I'm not sure anyone but you understands what you write and visually concoct. I have the vague notion your shooting blindly into this cognitive space hoping to hit a eureka mother lode; kind of like playing the lottery. Each email

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 69, Issue 2

2015-10-02 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
You mean literally the slowest of all the constraints in all of software engineering (excluding waiting on UI input) in a domain that cannot currently get enough unconstrained CPU and memory cycles? On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:53 AM, djhbrown . wrote: > . > "sharing code is typically not going to b

Re: [Computer-go] impact of AI on Go ... Where / How do i start ?

2015-09-27 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Gonçalo wrote, "Well, I'd argue there is nothing inherently superior about copying the human natural processes..." I couldn't agree more! What inspires me about biological evolution is it's fantastic use of temporal accretion compression; i.e. DNA viewed as fractals. Given that meta-"natural proce

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

2015-09-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Awesome! Tysvm for replying and posting the link. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:26 AM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > On 10.09.2015 10:29, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> Perhaps you could give some more concrete examples of what you have done >> already; i.e. where you have mov

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

2015-09-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I'm very much looking forward to your sharing your progress with us. Perhaps you could give some more concrete examples of what you have done already; i.e. where you have moved from the messy human linguistic/cognitive "principles" to something much more formal? On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Ro

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

2015-09-09 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I'm not convinced that it's reducible (as in reductionism) to get to a rational (i.e. highly influenced by deterministic math) set of principles to describe Go (which appears to be a precondition to getting it mapped into your expert system). In fact, I don't think it can currently be done for a st

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

2015-09-04 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I disagree with the assertion MC must be the starting point. It appears to have stagnated into a local optima; i.e. it's going to take something different to dislodge MC, just like it took MC to dislodge the traditional approaches preceding MC's introduction a decade ago. Ultimately, I think it can

Re: [Computer-go] Life and Death

2015-09-03 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I think you forgot to suggest which pharmaceuticals, legal or otherwise, to be using while watching this. Without said pharmacological assistance, that video doesn't make a bit of sense to me. On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:13 PM, djhbrown . wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opOAFYutILU&index

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

2015-01-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
ils in the "thread". Select that email. Scroll to the bottom. And if it is not already " expanded", select the final email in the thread, and you should see the one you sent. I sure wish there was more options in Gmail around this behavior. Jim O'Flaherty On Jan 1

Re: [computer-go] is Zen gone commercial?

2009-09-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Darren, If it doesn't work on Wine, you could always load a VM, like Sun's VirtualBox, install a copy of Windows in that and play from there. VirtualBox has very good performance metrics at above 95% of max (non VM) speed. And there's plenty of throw-away copies of XP licenses available all ove

Re: [computer-go] Re: verifiable claims

2009-05-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Don and Dave, Perhaps it might be useful to use something smaller than 5x5. For example, is 2x2, 3x3 and 4x4 "solved" and "verfiable"? If so, how might one go about providing evidence for the "solution" and then for the "verifiability"? It seems that what might work for these ought to also wo

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
saying it is an MC program; association versus identity. Jim Rémi Coulom wrote: Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a really fast poor algorit

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Oops...should have read "...a really fast poor algorithm won't be*_at_* a better algorithm on slower hardware..." Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

2009-05-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a really fast poor algorithm won't be a better algorithm on slower hardware (or slower software). Jim Rémi Coulom wrote: Ingo Althöfer w

[computer-go] Any newer version of Mogo beyond version 3...

2009-02-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
All, I was wondering if there was a newer version of Mogo available to try out. The one I know about (version 3) is located here: http://www.lri.fr/~gelly/MoGo.htm It's not like I am consistently beating it as I am around a 7k. However, I was wondering if there was a newer version that might

Re: [computer-go] Git, any other ideas?

2008-10-24 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Mark, I would figure that given the popularity of both Eclipse and git, the problems connecting the two easily, similar to the way Eclipse and Subversion connect, will be solved sooner rather than later. And once they are, it won't be too difficult to transition from whatever you choose to use

Re: [computer-go] Some stats on 9x9 simple go.

2008-10-16 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Don, Here's the Javadoc for Random() in 1.6: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Random.html In a quick search with Google, I was able to see that Java's Random() implementation is considered moderate quality, meaning it is adequate for most applications, but inadequate for securit

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
What were the software improvements? Were they related to the code distributing the work, or to the actual game playing/move selection code? Jim - Original Message From: Robert Waite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:54:14 AM Subj

[computer-go] What was the specific design of the Mogo version which beat the pro...

2008-08-12 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
All, Can anyone detail the design of the version of Mogo that beat the professional? Or is there a web-page where at least the general approach has been described? Is the information even public? I am not seeing the the implementation details, just the overall design and general strategies. H

[computer-go] Mobile phone go player/client/recorder...

2008-07-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
All, What's available in terms of a quality Go game player/client/recorder for mobile phones? I have a Windows Mobile 6 phone (AT&T Tilt - 8925) and would like to be able to play the occasional casual game, be able to connect and play with someone else on their mobile phone or desktop PC and to

Re: [computer-go] Re: linux and windows

2008-07-17 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
All, Another option is to use a VM, MS's Virtual PC (free), VMWare's offering (free for non-commercial use) or any of the flavors of the open source Xen. Basically, you can set up an install of whatever target environment you use as a client OS. And then install and configure all you need and w

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
I'll second both the original poster (his troubles with Linux mirrored mine) and the reply (I was completely enthralled with Ubuntu...WOW!). Jim - Original Message From: Álvaro Begué <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 10:18:11 AM Subject: Re: [computer-g

Re: [computer-go] Re: Lisp time

2007-12-14 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Darren, Thank you for posting the links. Very nice. It could be my lack of understanding the intention of each of the tests, but it looks like most of them are micro-benchmarks, meaning there is single or very few methods calls and a very well defined micro-space. I can understand how doing so

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