Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia Horn - RIP

Thanks for sharing this Karen. What an amazing Librarian and crusader! On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > From her family: > > "Zoia died on July 12th, Saturday, around 7 am." > > She was in hospice and her family was with her. > > I'll do the sad update to her wikipedia pag

[CODE4LIB] Zoia Horn - RIP

From her family: "Zoia died on July 12th, Saturday, around 7 am." She was in hospice and her family was with her. I'll do the sad update to her wikipedia page. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Shaun Ellis wrote: > Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based > on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is > right to point out. I added ABSTENTIONS.txt and OPPOSERS.txt to the anti-harassment githu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is right to point out. No one is suggesting that Code4Lib needs to develop a governance system or that there need to be any future rules. We just

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

The bottom line is that, technically, code4lib does not, AKAIK, exist. It's one piece of property, the domain name is in your name. Everything else is donated or lent. Code4lib has no formal governance. It is more like a clique than an organization. The question of whether we want to adopt formal

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: > More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of > "action" or "policy" has been made ever. This is new territory for us. It's not really that new. We've voted on tshirts, logos, and whether or not to have jobs.code4lib.or

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: >> Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. > > No, this is not true, that "any" group decision has been done via online > vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group > decision' if it

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

> Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. No, this is not true, that "any" group decision has been done via online vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group decision' if it was done by online vote. The ONLY decisions that have been done

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

rrent culture/procedures are sufficient without continuing discussion seem premature. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 5:00 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

ies [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 5:00 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia Karen, yes, there is a procedure for dealing with speaking up: // Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply immediate

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

: Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? *Sigh.* Genny Engel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Andromeda Yelton Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM To: CODE

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

cing her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? *Sigh.* Genny Engel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Andromeda Yelton Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia FWIW, I am both an activ

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

ia and replacing her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? *Sigh.* Genny Engel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Andromeda Yelton Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia FWIW, I am b

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

ny Engel > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of > Andromeda Yelton > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia > > FWIW, I am both an active #libtec

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who is so thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right there *in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during face-to-face conversa

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > Thanks to whoever removed the 'poledance' plugin (REALLY? that existed? if > it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone who hangs out in > #code4lib even knew it existed, and it never got used). I knew it existed, and I even invo

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

It should be noted that @poledance really was originally named @rsinger. See * https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/commit/7ae336cc37a7bbd41e4899f1ca90fb43b12acf46 * and https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/commit/90e7d0f2bbb5f8a30c43a6177fb3d4eb7bcb46b1 . On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

I agree with Ed. Thanks to whoever removed the 'poledance' plugin (REALLY? that existed? if it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone who hangs out in #code4lib even knew it existed, and it never got used). It's certainly possible that there are or will be other individual features

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: > In every "noisy" forum that I participate in (BTW, none of them are tech or > even work related), there are always people who dislike the noise. The > concerns are analogous to the ones expressed here -- irritation factor, it > keeps people

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

If anyone feels like sorting through the Quote, Dunno, Blame, Disclaimer, LoveHate, Praise, Sarge, and/or Tantrum databases to weed out potentially off-putting materials, I can extract and email them. They're flat-file DBs, and pretty easy to read through quickly. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

While I agree that the nature of IRC is pretty much open to all kinds of behavior, good, and less good, zoia is a shadow character that often seems to serve as a jerk by proxy. If someone has to be a jerk, let them be a jerk, not program a bot to be a jerk on their behalf. Now that I have used the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

In every "noisy" forum that I participate in (BTW, none of them are tech or even work related), there are always people who dislike the noise. The concerns are analogous to the ones expressed here -- irritation factor, it keeps people away, it's all about the "in" crowd, etc. Likewise, the propose

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

I personally regard the IRC channel as a "particular flavor" of c4l, rather than the "primary" flavor. For example, this discussion is happening on the mailing list and not in the IRC channel. I'd say IRC is one of the main flavors, but I'm not sure I would call anything primary. I really lik

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On 1/18/13 11:30 AM, Andromeda Yelton wrote: I also think some sort of 'what's zoia and how can you contribute' link would be useful in any welcome-newbie plugin; it did take me a while to figure out what was going on there. (Just as it took me the while to acquire the tastes for, say, coffee,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Have some more. https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/pull/5 -nruest On 13-01-18 02:56 PM, Andromeda Yelton wrote: Merged #4. --ay On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Nick Ruest wrote: Starting the work. Remove poledance and euph: https://github.com/code4lib/** supybot-plugins/pull/4<

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

@mf just returns a large ASCII image of a hand "flicking the bird" (or what do the kids call it nowadays?) That is, sticking up its middle finger. Kevin On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > I'm looking at the supybot code in c4l's github and don't see @mf here in > any of the th

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

I'm looking at the supybot code in c4l's github and don't see @mf here in any of the three folders. Can you say what it does? Thanks, kc On 1/18/13 11:46 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Is it the plugins themselves or the content? I suspect tha

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Merged #4. --ay On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Nick Ruest wrote: > Starting the work. > > Remove poledance and euph: https://github.com/code4lib/** > supybot-plugins/pull/4 > > -nruest > > > On 13-01-18 01:17 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: > >>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Starting the work. Remove poledance and euph: https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/pull/4 -nruest On 13-01-18 01:17 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I think there has been general consensus that there are some offensive plugins and that the bot should be held to the same level we expect fro

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Andromeda Yelton < andromeda.yel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > But not having zoia would make me sad. And defining zoia to be > woman-unfriendly, when zoia-lovers and zoia-haters appear to span the > gender spectrum and have a variety of reasons (both gendered and non)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > Is it the plugins themselves or the content? I suspect that some plugins > lend themselves to more joking around and possible inappropriateness, but > I'm not sure that it's "plugin" problem, perhaps its a "user error." I seem to be in a talka

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who is so thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right there *in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during face-to-face conversations with non-Code4Libbers.) I think a collaboratively main

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On 1/18/13 10:38 AM, "Karen Coyle" wrote: >... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the >conference, doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the >time? Yes. >Is there a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference >but not every day? No. > Coul

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Is it the plugins themselves or the content? I suspect that some plugins lend themselves to more joking around and possible inappropriateness, but I'm not sure that it's "plugin" problem, perhaps its a "user error." kc On 1/18/13 10:17 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I think there has been general

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jay Luker wrote: > On Friday, January 18, 2013, Gabriel Farrell wrote: > > I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3 > ( > > https://github.com/gsf/n0d3). I introduced emerac to #code4lib as a > hubot a > > year or so ago, and was p

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

I think there has been general consensus that there are some offensive plugins and that the bot should be held to the same level we expect from a person, but noone (yet) has stepped up to volunteer to go through all that's available and make an effort at cleaning things up. As we all know, things

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

It also sounds like our channel @helpers and the @help command could help by spreading the word about /ignore. If you like the #code4lib experience and find Zoia annoying, please do yourself a favor and /ignore zoia so you don't have to miss out. -Mike On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Jay Luke

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

+1 for renaming @poledance to @rsinger. On Friday, January 18, 2013, Tim Donohue wrote: > FWIW, there are a few zoia commands I've noticed that could come across as > sexist (especially if you see Zoia as being a "female" bot). > > I don't think they are used that frequently, but I have seen: > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

FWIW, there are a few zoia commands I've noticed that could come across as sexist (especially if you see Zoia as being a "female" bot). I don't think they are used that frequently, but I have seen: @poledance (have zoia display a poledancer) @euph (have zoia respond in a euphemism) This isn't

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Friday, January 18, 2013, Gabriel Farrell wrote: > > > I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3 ( > https://github.com/gsf/n0d3). I introduced emerac to #code4lib as a hubot > a > year or so ago, and was planning to reintroduce it as an n0d3 bot at some > point.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

You need a plugin to pronounce that. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Andreas Orphanides wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Gabriel Farrell > wrote: > > > I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3 > ( > > https://github.com/gsf/n0d3). > > > ... How exact

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Gabriel Farrell wrote: > I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3 ( > https://github.com/gsf/n0d3). ... How exactly do you pronounce that?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Michael J. Giarlo < leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote: > Yes, I believe zoia was named as a tribute to Zoia Horn, FWIW. > I did name zoia as a tribute to Zoia Horn. My copy of *ZOIA! Memoirs of Zoia Horn, Battler for the People’s Right to Know* holds a special p

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Salvete!     Code4Lib's female bot Zoia beats Koha's male bot Wahanui any day of the week.     I have to say, when I first saw this thread rev up, I thought "Heavens! What are those ruffians teaching my darling girl?!" I think I've witnessed irreverent quips from time to time, but I don't thin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On 1/18/13 8:46 AM, Misty De Meo wrote I would strongly disagree with this point. As a code4lib newbie a year ago, I found that zoia was a kind of participatory in-joke that made it *easier* for me to acclimatize to the culture of the room. I became comfortable more quickly thanks to zoia. The

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

+1 On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Misty De Meo < misty.de@museumforhumanrights.ca> wrote: > On 13-01-18 10:26 AM, "Karen Coyle" wrote: > > > >Actually, I find the "playing" with Zoia itself offensive. As per my > >response to my own message. > > > >It objectifies women. Treats them as pla

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Yes, I believe zoia was named as a tribute to Zoia Horn, FWIW. -Mike On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > > Actually, I find the "playing" with Zoia itself offensive. As per my > > response to my own message. > > > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On 13-01-18 10:26 AM, "Karen Coyle" wrote: >Actually, I find the "playing" with Zoia itself offensive. As per my >response to my own message. > >It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very >uncomfortable. If we want to have an information bot, perhaps like the >one used by W3

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > Actually, I find the "playing" with Zoia itself offensive. As per my > response to my own message. > > It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very > uncomfortable. I think you're reading too much into Zoia's gender here.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

Actually, I find the "playing" with Zoia itself offensive. As per my response to my own message. It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very uncomfortable. If we want to have an information bot, perhaps like the one used by W3C which takes minutes for meetings (Zakim, I bel

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > ... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the conference, > doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the time? Is there > a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference but not every day? There's

[CODE4LIB] Zoia

... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the conference, doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the time? Is there a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference but not every day? Could this have any relation to the felt need to create #libtechw