Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-03-01 Thread Michael Ash
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:40 PM, John Joyce wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 PM, cocoa-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Erik Buck >> wrote: >> >>> Where did the fetish for installing every single application on the local >>> hard disk come from ? Isn't

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-03-01 Thread John Joyce
On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 PM, cocoa-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Erik Buck wrote: Where did the fetish for installing every single application on the local hard disk come from ? Isn't it insane to have 35 installed copies of OmniGraffle using up

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread Bill Bumgarner
I, too, remember -- and miss -- the days of all applications living on a central server. Heck, at NeXT, we would run applications from / Network/Applications/ from anywhere in the world. It was a tad slow at first, but was just-like-local once the app was warmed up and the network was sta

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread I. Savant
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Michael Ash wrote: > Note that there's no need to add the qualifier "most complicated" > here. *All* applications load resources lazily, simply because OS X > uses memory-mapped executables. I thought I remembered reading this, but I couldn't remember and was t

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread Quincey Morris
On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:54, I. Savant wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Kyle Sluder wrote: How so? Resource loading? I guess it was less of an issue back in the NeXT days. But I've got ten machines in my lab, and an Xserve serving out /Network/Library... why can't I use /Network/App

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread Michael Ash
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:21 PM, I. Savant wrote: >  I was rushing off to a meeting, but I wanted to expand on this a > bit. Most complicated applications won't be loading all their > resources when they're launched (if they're worth a damn, that is), so > consider what would happen if, as happene

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread Jonathan Hendry
On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:48 AM, I. Savant wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Erik Buck wrote: Where did the fetish for installing every single application on the local hard disk come from ? Isn't it insane to have 35 installed copies of OmniGraffle using up disk space just because

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread I. Savant
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Kyle Sluder wrote: > How so?  Resource loading?  I guess it was less of an issue back in > the NeXT days.  But I've got ten machines in my lab, and an Xserve > serving out /Network/Library... why can't I use /Network/Applications > and have it Just Work(TM)? We

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread I. Savant
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM, I. Savant wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Erik Buck wrote: > >> Where did the fetish for installing every single application on the local >> hard disk come from ?  Isn't it insane to have 35 installed copies of >> OmniGraffle using up disk space just

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM, I. Savant wrote: >  ... because network interruptions (especially intermittent ones) can > wreak havoc on your running apps. :-) That's my main reason. How so? Resource loading? I guess it was less of an issue back in the NeXT days. But I've got ten machines i

Re: Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread I. Savant
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Erik Buck wrote: > Where did the fetish for installing every single application on the local > hard disk come from ?  Isn't it insane to have 35 installed copies of > OmniGraffle using up disk space just because you have 35 licenses ?  Why is > MS Word on ever

Running Cocoa applications from file servers

2009-02-25 Thread Erik Buck
There is a interesting but long rant about software installers at http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2009/02/on_installers.html.  Most of the rant is about problems with "pushing" applications to remote client computers.   I'll try to keep this Cocoa related:  All of the applications I develop are C