Thanks for the clarifications Jens, but I don't think what I was saying is so
far removed from your more detailed story. I did realise after I posted that MS
probably was somewhat justified in avoiding Adobe's outrageous licence fees.
And it is certainly true that Matthew Carter is highly regard
I think we're going off topic, but I think iTunes uses Helvetica Neue these
days. It seems like iTunes is generally the forerunner of changes to come in
the OS X GUI. Stuff seems to happen *there* before it happens to the OS at
large.
--
Bryan Vines
On May 13, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Steve Mills wro
On 14 mai 2013, at 00:32, Jens Alfke wrote:
> Ultimately, Appa, we can’t stop you from making an app with an ugly
> nonstandard UI (although the Mac App Store reviewers might.) But it doesn’t
> sound like anyone here is interested in helping you do it, so I think you’re
> on your own. Sorry.
>
On May 13, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Ian Joyner wrote:
> Yes there is now a confusion of very similar fonts. Many were done by
> Microsoft with tweaks to original fonts made to make them look 'good' (in
> someone's opinion, or was it just marketing) on the computer screens of the
> 1990s.
Most of w
ists (like Matthew Carter) constrained by technologists.
>
> - Apparao
>
> From: Jens Alfke mailto:j...@mooseyard.com>>
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:35:33 -0700
> To: Apparao mailto:appar...@ivycomptech.com>>
> Cc: "cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com<mailt
On 14.05.2013, at 00:32, Jens Alfke wrote:
> Ultimately, Appa, we can’t stop you from making an app with an ugly
> nonstandard UI (although the Mac App Store reviewers might.) But it doesn’t
> sound like anyone here is interested in helping you do it, so I think you’re
> on your own. Sorry.
Pl
On May 13, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
>
> On May 13, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Fritz Anderson wrote:
>
>>> Look and feel wise its equivalent to "Lucida Grande". And also both the
>>> fonts is taking the equal size for the same text.
>>
>> If it's that "equivalent," then there's no value to
On May 13, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Fritz Anderson wrote:
>> Look and feel wise its equivalent to "Lucida Grande". And also both the
>> fonts is taking the equal size for the same text.
>
> If it's that "equivalent," then there's no value to you in hacking AppKit to
> defeat its font handling.
Exac
On 13 May 2013, at 1:37 PM, Appa Rao Mulpuri wrote:
> Look and feel wise its equivalent to "Lucida Grande". And also both the fonts
> is taking the equal size for the same text.
If it's that "equivalent," then there's no value to you in hacking AppKit to
defeat its font handling.
If it's only
To clear the iTunes font discussion – it's Helvetica Neue. Same as the iOS
system font.
On 13.05.2013, at 22:21, Alex Zavatone wrote:
>
> On May 13, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 13, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Alex Zavatone wrote:
>>
>>> A perfect example of this is in the new
According to Bryan Vines, it is Helvetica, but the iOS default font, Helvetica
Neue.
On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
> On May 13, 2013, at 14:29, Alex Zavatone wrote:
>
>> A perfect example of this is in the new iTunes. The main window display
>> font was changed from Helveti
On May 13, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
>
> On May 13, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Alex Zavatone wrote:
>
>> A perfect example of this is in the new iTunes. The main window display
>> font was changed from Helvetica to Arial
>
> Arial? Really? I can’t imagine Apple deliberately using a cheap
On May 13, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Michael Starke wrote:
> On 13.05.2013 20:37, Appa Rao Mulpuri wrote:
>> Any specific reason not to use "Trebuchet MS"? I faced some issues with the
>> few components (ilke Table Header cell, NS Button) text vertical center
>> alignment except that Look and feel wi
On May 13, 2013, at 14:29, Alex Zavatone wrote:
> A perfect example of this is in the new iTunes. The main window display font
> was changed from Helvetica to Arial, and to people who have expected a
> uniform appearance in apps coming from Apple, this is a drastic departure
> from what is ex
On May 13, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Alex Zavatone wrote:
> A perfect example of this is in the new iTunes. The main window display font
> was changed from Helvetica to Arial
Arial? Really? I can’t imagine Apple deliberately using a cheap Helvetica
knockoff, especially one that’s strongly associate
On May 13, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Appa Rao Mulpuri wrote:
> Any specific reason not to use "Trebuchet MS”?
No technical reasons.
In general, using a different font for those UI elements is against Apple’s HI
guidelines. It’s going to make your app look gratuitously different and
inconsistent for
On May 13, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Michael Starke wrote:
> On 13.05.2013 20:37, Appa Rao Mulpuri wrote:
>> Any specific reason not to use "Trebuchet MS"? I faced some issues with the
>> few components (ilke Table Header cell, NS Button) text vertical center
>> alignment except that Look and feel wis
iously ;).
From: Jens Alfke mailto:j...@mooseyard.com>>
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:35:33 -0700
To: Apparao mailto:appar...@ivycomptech.com>>
Cc: "cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>"
mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Displaying &qu
ze for the same text.
- Apparao
From: Jens Alfke mailto:j...@mooseyard.com>>
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:35:33 -0700
To: Apparao mailto:appar...@ivycomptech.com>>
Cc: "cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>"
mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>>
S
On May 13, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Appa Rao Mulpuri wrote:
> I am working on an application which will display Same font (Trebuchet MS)
> throughout the Application. I have changed in all places except the following
> ones
>
> Window Tool bar items text
> Text in NSAlert panels
> Tooltip text
Plea
On May 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Appa Rao Mulpuri wrote:
> Is there any way to achieve this? If not, I will place custom views in
> Toolbar items to display the text.
> For NSAlert Panels — Need to write a custom NSAlert, but Apple docs say not
> designed for subclassing.
> Tooltip text — toolTip
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