Stus-List Re: Balsa core history

2021-09-17 Thread Matthew via CnC-List
Unfortunately, I’ve become somewhat of an expert myself. From: JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:34 PM To: Stus-List Cc: JohnKelly Cuthbertson Subject: Stus-List Re: Balsa core history Rob Mazza is the expert in this specific topic JK Motion D

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2021-09-17 Thread Richard Bush via CnC-List
Great info and research; so, how did balsa go from "wonder" material to;  "bad stuff don't touch..."? Richard s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original M

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2021-09-17 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
There is no bad balsa. Only bad owners (or prior owners) I think it is safe to say that pretty much all water saturation of balsa is caused by poor bedding of fittings From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: September 17, 2021 10:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cscheaf...@comcast.net; Richa

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2021-09-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Time: I doubt anyone really thought through what balsa core would be like when it was 50-60-70 or more years old. A lot of things can go wrong with a lot of materials when past the half-century mark and headed towards 100.* Bad Builders: Some builders, mostly NOT C&C, were or are infamous for do

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Balsa core history

2021-09-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Typo Water migrates slowly through end-grain balsa but really tears foam up From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 10:18 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Balsa core history Time: I doubt anyone really thought through what bal

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2021-09-17 Thread Matthew via CnC-List
That is not a safe assumption. We did extensive repairs to the core below the waterline on my Custom 42, including from the keel back and the keel forward. Arguably, water in these areas resulted from failing to isolate thru-hulls and the prop shaft strut. Two areas we did not consider, becau

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2021-09-17 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Some fiberglass AIRPLANES have suffered from blistering and these are landplanes, not flying boats sitting on a mooring. Even humid air can eventually do it. I am glad my 35 is a solid hull now she is headed for 50 years old. It would be nice to have the stiffness and insulation of balsa, but I

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2021-09-17 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
That's a great story about Pearson starting the end grain orientation. I wonder if that's 100% true. I'll bet several others would have thought of that as well. Anyone who works with wood knows the compression strength is best when wood grain is oriented that way. Honeycomb cores are end gra

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2021-09-17 Thread Richard Bush via CnC-List
Joe, thanks, that makes perfect sense to me! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37, Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: Stus-List

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2021-09-17 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Some of the new coring material (divinicell??) is supposed to address the balsa/foam issues. Anyone with specific knowledge?? Neil Andersen Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 10:39:29 AM To: Stu

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2021-09-17 Thread Rod Stright via CnC-List
Coosa is an excellent product for a core. Expensive it worth every penny Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > Some of the new coring material (divinicell??) is supposed to address the > balsa/foam issues. > > Anyone with specific k

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2021-09-17 Thread Robert Mazza via CnC-List
Interesting conversation, and thank you for asking for my input. Apologies for a late reply though, I've been up to my eyebrows, on behalf of the Marine Museum, in organizing the upcoming Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame Inductions on October 3rd in Kingston. I started my career in the marine industr

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2021-09-17 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Thanks Rob for your detailed response. I would love to learn more on the topic if you can provide links to any of the testing or procedures described for installing Baltek Balsa, I'd be most grateful. My boatyard fiberglass guy works weekends fixing Sea Rays. Mostly problems with brand new bo

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2021-09-17 Thread John Irvin via CnC-List
Really interesting and thorough explanation. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2021, at 1:07 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:  Thanks Rob for your detailed response. I would love to learn more on the topic if you can provide links to any of the testing or procedures describ

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2021-09-17 Thread Rod Stright via CnC-List
Yes that old foam is crap. The new Coosa https://coosacomposites.com/the-coosa-advantage/ and equivalents do not soak up water and are put together under tons of pressure. From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: September-17-21 11:21 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Stus-

Stus-List Re: Cancelled again

2021-09-17 Thread Novabraid via CnC-List
Hey Stu, Just a thought: having the virtual rendezvous is a great idea and its always good to see who shows up for any number of random discussions about our boats, but perhaps we’d get more interest if the meet up was a bit more focused, like when John Kelly Cuthbertson was able to talk about

Stus-List Re: Cancelled again

2021-09-17 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sounds like a great idea, would probably put a little structure in the discussion, and keep that part of it from meandering. You know Chuck, when you come up with a great idea, you also get a job! . . . Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA From: Novabraid via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@

Stus-List Re: Cancelled again

2021-09-17 Thread Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
I’ll volunteer to lead the first one. Who wants to talk about rope? Chuck Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > Sounds like a great idea, would probably put a little structure in the > discussion, and keep that part of it from meanderin

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Balsa core history - problems and fixes

2021-09-17 Thread Steve Thomas via CnC-List
All, Much has been written about the problem of wet balsa when and if it happens and I have seen many methods better and worse for deck repairs. What I have not seen are examples of how people have gone about repairing wet cored areas of the hull. Any pointers other than "forget about it" wou

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2021-09-17 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Matt can co-lead that discussion with Rob! Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 4:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steve Thomas Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Balsa core history -

Stus-List 1980 40 Cheetah needs TLC

2021-09-17 Thread Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List
I senior member of our Yacht club has pretty much abandoned his 1980 C&C 40. He is very motivated to sell her but not willing to do much to get her sold. She is not listed anywhere yet... Cheetah was raced for years and has a decent complement of both racing and cruising sails. The westbr

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2021-09-17 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List
I cut the outer fibreglass skin off with a rotary grinder. Nice straight cuts and under the handrails after removing them. I found the bad spots by tapping with a hammer. Get a dull thud on tapping probably a wet rotten spot. Dig out all the rotten stuff let dry and fill in with new half inch thic

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2021-09-17 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Hi Steve, I saw a detailed hull repair done on a C&C designed Northeast 39 a few years back. A hull repair is done the same way as a deck. Cutting below the waterline, there are less fittings to work around, but the repair is upside down so vacuum bagging would really improve the result, the

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Balsa core history - problems and fixes

2021-09-17 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Hey Steve, Found a guy who is replacing damaged core in his hull, but it's a huricane damaged catamaran. YouTube channel, "Parley Revival" Episode 94 and 95, 96 show some good techniques. You can fast forward through the goofy parts. His videos are meant more to have fun, be funny, and enter