Stus-List September NE rendezvous

Any more on this years rendezvous I seem to remember that Newport is the site. John Maturo Ashe Baltic 39 Branford ct 203-494-6782 > On May 3, 2014, at 12:01, "via CnC-List" wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via t

Re: Stus-List Halyard

I just ordered a new (2nd) jib halyard and a replacement line for the second reef from them - pretty good prices and free shipping! I got 5/16" Yale Crystalyne - I'll let you know how it goes. We went out for a quick sail on Sunday - lots of wind! Now back in the yard to let them mount the new w

Stus-List Mixed batteries

In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge 40 wants all the batteri

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Two choices: 1. Buy a cheap small charger for the house battery. 2. Sacrifice the long term well-being of the cheap wet-cell starting battery and set your charging parameters for the expensive AGM house bank. AGM voltages are close enough that the start battery lifespan will likely

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Use an echo charger to charge the starting battery, and the Xantrex for the house bank. http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/power-accessories/auxiliary-battery-charger.aspx From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of via CnC-List Sent: May 5, 2014 9:48 AM To: cnc-list@c

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Charlie, You would need both a smart charger and a smart regulator. Stick to one kind. You can buy a lot of batteries for the price of all that! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, via CnC-List wrote: > In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my > e

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but start the engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the alterna

Stus-List Midnight Mistress

There's a nice shot of Jake's 35/3 on page 90 of the current edition of Spinsheet. -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

I would just charge the wet cell as an AGM - very similar parameters anyway. It won’t live as long but it’s not exactly the biggest investment you’ll ever make. On the AGM, look for one labeled “dual purpose”. These are designed for the life and cycles of a deep discharge but offer near the C

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Also: the AC charger, and any other charging devices such as wind or solar, are connected to the house bank in the same manner as the alternator, and will charge all batteries as needed. Rich > On May 5, 2014, at 11:38, Rich Knowles via CnC-List > wrote: > > The best method I have found an

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Rich, Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1). When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing

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Rich Please e mail schematic. Thanks Frank LF 38 Annapolis Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List > wrote: > > The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of > view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Richwrote: I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged. That's how I wired mine. It works fine with both the alternator and battery charger. Wal -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com

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Rich, is the relay via a the regulator to the start battery only in the case you have different type or size of battery or is there any advantage to add it with two lead-acid size 31, or any same size/type ? My alternator is wired to both 31 as my Guest chargepro 10 amp. Don't know if it adust o

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Hi Bruno. I sent you the diagram. There is no need to charge both batteries from the alternator or shore power charger with my suggested setup. If the starter battery needs charging, the EchoCharge takes care of it. Also, you don’t have to switch anything other than turning the battery switch to

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Edd, I don’t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your starting battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be charging t

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Marek, Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was dragging the other down. I repla

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Here's the manual. if that's too long for your email Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it? ___

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Edd, I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others. The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, as well). WM sells it here: http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/x

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Save yourself some trouble.use all deep cycle batteries, 2 golf cart 6V units connected in series if possible or 2 deep cycle group 27's, use the selector switch to charge one bank at a time from the alternator.works for me and seems quite simple.those 12V deep cycle batteries have way more than en

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

In short, an Echo Charge is a simple regulator that derives it's input voltage from a battery connected to a charging source. It's output is connected to a secondary battery such as an engine start or windlass battery. If the input voltage rises above 3.4 volts, as I recall, the Rich > On May

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

To Rich > On May 5, 2014, at 15:52, Rich Knowles via CnC-List > wrote: > > In short, an Echo Charge is a simple regulator that derives it's input > voltage from a battery connected to a charging source. It's output is > connected to a secondary battery such as an engine start or windlass ba

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Rich, I think I get it now. If I have my starter battery as #2, I start the engine with #2 only (not ALL). This echo-charger could take the Alternator charge going into #2 and also charge #1. Do I have that right? If so, I gots me some wiring to do….

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

To finish, doggone phones, if the input voltage rises above a preset threshold voltage indicating charge current is available, and the auxiliary battery voltage is below a preset level, the Echo Charge will send up to 15 Amps of charge current to the auxiliary battery. Once it is charged, the cu

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

OK… maybe I don’t get it. I just read the manual and could use some collective wisdom from the group. Here goes.. The House battery is #1 (a deep cycle 31) and the starter battery is #2 (a 27). The manual says I should connect this to the House battery, which will, when charging, send power to

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Almost:) connect the alternator directly to your house battery and make that battery 1. Rich > On May 5, 2014, at 16:28, Edd Schillay via CnC-List > wrote: > > Rich, > > I think I get it now. If I have my starter battery as #2, I start the > engine with #2 only (not ALL). This echo-c

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Edd, I just added an automatic charging relay (available in this kit http://www.bluesea.com/products/7650/Add-A-Battery_Kit_-_120A) to replace the two separate banks that I had previously (2 x 27 deep cycle / 1 x 24). This is similar to the echo charge. Rewiring wasn't too complicated as the pos

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

I think my alternator is set up to charge whatever batteries I have on my selector switch… Any way to do this without running new wires from my alternator? All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B Cit

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

The Echo Charger has an input and an output side. As Rich mentions the input side is connected to the batteries which are receiving the charge via alternator and charger. The output side connected to the battery which typically has no other charging source. The additional comments are that the prim

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Bottom line is that the house battery is the one that gets discharged and will soak up most of any available charge current. The engine start battery on an average max. 5 second start cycle will be depleted about 1 or two amp hours, an insignificant amount that is probably replenished in a few m

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

A-ha That’s the piece of the puzzle I wasn’t getting. OK… time to rewire. Rich Knowles?? I don’t think so, From now on you’ll be Rich Knowmore to me. Hot damn, I love this list. Thanks to Stu, too. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Nothing wrong with that. It works for those who pay good attention to switching and consumption. For those who don't, it's an invitation for trouble. Rich > On May 5, 2014, at 15:07, dwight via CnC-List wrote: > > Save yourself some trouble…use all deep cycle batteries, 2 golf cart 6V units

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their engines. The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's ju

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

There are any number of ways to wire a boat. I have changed a few things, but I have always stuck with the principle that I can turn every light on, go ashore for a few days, and then come back to a dead house battery and hit the starter button and have the engine start right up and charge both

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

I installed a Balmar Digital Duo. Same as Echo Charger but apparently without the BS of a poorly written Manual. It has been a fool proof system for over 7 years David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:20:12 -0300 To: dziedzi...@hotmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.c

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17

the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I need >>>>> some list advice: >>>>> >>>>> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >>>>> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17

Adam — read directly below your email below: Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks via CnC-List wrote: > Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails > everyday > >

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17

Hope springs Rich > On May 5, 2014, at 18:19, Frederick G Street via CnC-List > wrote: > > Adam — read directly below your email below: > > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > >> On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like "to avoid electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit" so he probably has a point. You wrote: The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 17

you wrote: Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails everyday Well, you can set up your email system so you don't get them on your telephone. Call me a Luddite, but I think telephones are for talking and computers are for email. On a computer, you can delete e

Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries

His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on how to build a house. Rich On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like

Stus-List how to build a house

The instructions come with the hammer -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles via CnC-List Sent: May 6, 2014 2:22 AM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list Cnc-List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries His rant made me think that a box