Well done Rob! I'm sorry I couldn't be there...
Safe journey home to all
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From: "Robert Gallagher"
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Stus-List 2013 Northeast Rendezvous
Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 12:13 am
As I walk
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has changed
boats partway through the season. He has done very well in both boats. At our
club we score each series and an overall that goes on the club Trophy. Do we
score him separate for both boats or as one boat? W
Depends somewhat...Did he change boats to one of the same design? If
so, I could see argument for allowing it to be scored as one boat.
If it is a different make, model and design then scored separately.
Usually the SI's for your race would spell out equipment change
parameters. Our's for inst
Mike,
Always separate. Different hull is a different entry. Even in one design
racing.
In PHRF racing, I've never ever seen anyone change hulls and continue their
series scores.
There's an element of fairness there too. Boat damage is a risk every entrant
makes. It would not be fair for a c
Jeff,
What argument is that?
Two entrants: one a Beneteau 36.7, the other a 1970s Mason 33. Is it fair to
the Mason owner that the owner of the Ben can easily find other 36.7 hulls to
replace his?
All the best,
Edd
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Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
NCC-17
Racing under PHRF ratings, it should not make a difference if he changed boats
every race. I would think it would be a disadvantage to have to learn the
intricacies and peccadillos of a new boat.
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Brett Arron
Serenity
C&C 33 Mk-1
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On Sep 8,
I should add both boats have solid PHRF numbers. So it was not the skipper
getting a PHRF beater. He is an active member and supports the club.
Mike
Mike
From: BRETT L. ARRON, MD
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Racing unde
The boat enters the series, not the skipper. At least, the boat is still scored
for the series even if the skipper misses a race and gets one of his guys to
sail it.
So if a skipper changes boats, each boat should be scored separately and
indivdually.
Andy
Peregrine
C&C 40
Andrew Burton
61 W
Brett,
But PHRF is subjective and, to be brutally honest, corrupt.
Look at the J/105 ratings across the country. They range from 93 in some areas
to 108 in others. Same boats, all supposedly based on 5-10 wind speed, so why
the differences?
Sailmakers on PHRF boards.
The overall system is
Mike,
From a race administration perspective, no entry fee is worth more than
another's, no matter how active and supportive one member is.
New people will never get into this sport if others are given preferential
treatment.
You know, like PHRF boards give. ...
All the best,
Edd
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I see both sides. If it is within one club, it is the member who pays the
membership dues and entry fee, not the boat. If the club has chosen to race
under PHRF rules then the rating rules are known and apply to all.
Is it fair to wipe out a skippers record because he decides to sell an old boa
Different boat, different score. No brainer.
Bill Walker
C n C 36
Pentwater, Mi.
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From: "Mike"
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Subject: Stus-List scoring
Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 7:50 AM
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has changed
boats p
Well done to Rob and crew. Wish we could have been with you but raised a
glass last night J
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
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Gallagher
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cn
Check out http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_Handicap_Racing_Fleet
If the premise is correct, and giving the process of assigning ratings a wide
berth, a crew should be able to swap boats without affecting their standings in
a series.
Now that I've said that, I fully understand my folly
As close as I can measure, it is 1 1/2 in diameter.
From: CnC-List on behalf of Terry
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 6:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Airmar speed transducers
Ed, do you know what the diameter of the transducer is? 1
Mike, do your club trophies have “trophy deeds”?
If so, then it should be spelled out in them if the trophies are awarded to the
boat or the skipper.
Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C&C 25 #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.
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One design boats are all the same, by design, and allowed sail
inventory, so I could see that would be a more acceptable swap than
going from
a Mason 33 to say a Viper for instance, and in some races/ one design
fleets (Martin 16's for instance) swapping crews to different boats
is required wit
We score the boat, not the skipper. We have folks who use multiple boats. I
would love to be able to jump boats... let's see - a Viper for those light or
very heavy (planing) days, a Cal 40 for downwind, a Bermuda 40 for the days
when the waves are up..
Gary
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No question about it, always score the boat, not the skipper, unless it is a
one design regatta where skippers rotate through different boats.
Go back to the Notice of Race/Regatta. It probably reads "boats" not
"skippers" under the entry, eligibility, class and division sections. If not,
nex
Just one more note. He raced the spring series on one boat. the summer on
another. So he did not change for wind , weather conditions. It is a new club
so we are trying to sent a president. This is just for overall.
Mike
From: Dennis C.
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:06 AM
To: cnc-list
Set up a special "skippers" trophy, for the best overall performance. Still
score the boat for overall. If you set up a precedent of scoring the skipper,
you could lead to boat shifting.
For example, we have a trophy for the boat which finishes first (on the water)
the most time regardless of h
Agree. Our club has "Sailor of the Year" trophy. Not necessarily for best
overall performance but recognizes achievement be it performance,
participation, crew, sportsmanship, etc. Very versatile tool for recognition.
Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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On Sep 8, 201
Thanks again to Rob for putting together a great event. Wish we could have come
by starship, but are already looking forward to next year.
We just got back home after my wife decided to stop at, not one, but two,
outlet malls.
The odds of an Enterprise-C in the next decade are now slim at bes
Paul,
The mounting pad on my 30-1 is welded on the front of the mast.
Rick
Anchovy
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Thanks for your input.. I do like the sailor of the year.
Mike
From: Dennis C.
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Agree. Our club has "Sailor of the Year" trophy. Not necessarily for best
overall performance but recognizes achiev
Like others, I'm in the "score the boat" camp.
If a guy changes boats mid-season, he has to accept the possibility
that his race results may suffer.
You could still have individual awards he's be eligible for: most
improved, best dressed, skipper of the year, etc.
Cheers
Colin
On 9/8/13, Mike
Things ain't looking good for Oracle. Need to find a way to get back in court
where the lawyers can decide it.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Different boat, different score. No brainer.
Bill Walker
C n C 36
Pentwater, Mi.
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From: "Mike"
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Subject: Stus-List scoring
Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 7:50 AM
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has changed
boats p
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