Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-06-02 Thread Shawn Grover
As Gustin said, with a bit more info: We implemented the NAS when a standard server computer with a RAID controller started to fail. Luckily we were able to at least get one pass of RSYNC done before the controller died outright. So while we already had a RAID 5 solution, the failure of the

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-06-01 Thread Gustin Johnson
RAID is not the same thing as a backup. RAID gives redundancy and availability, but is not a backup. There is an old rule in backup called 3-2-1. Three different copies of your data, on two different media, with at least 1 copy *physically* existing somewhere else. RAID addresses none of these.

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-06-01 Thread Joe S
Does not RAID with more than 1 drive give a backup? Why do I need an additional hard drive to back up to? On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 22:16:06 -0600 Shawn Grover wrote: > I bow to the other info presented in this thread. But I can > comment a little on the hardware. > > We picked up both a 2 bay and

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-06-01 Thread Shawn Grover
I bow to the other info presented in this thread. But I can comment a little on the hardware. We picked up both a 2 bay and 4 bay QNAP box at work. Both have been running very reliably and are surprisingly quite. Both are loaded up with 4TB drives. The 2 bay unit is configured in Raid1, so

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-31 Thread caziz
100% agree with Gustin. RAID-6 or just close your eyes and hope for the best. On 14-05-31 08:30 PM, Gustin Johnson wrote: > Without getting too deep into the technical side of things, the short short > overview I think a lot of people have intuitive problems with RAID risk exposure. Modern di

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-31 Thread Gustin Johnson
Without getting too deep into the technical side of things, the short short overview is that even in a 4 bay array, RAID5 is to be avoided. If you need more space then buy a larger array. There is no reason to take that kind of chance with your data. With the size of current drives, a rebuild of

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-31 Thread Bogi
Having an off site storage would be ideal, personally i don't like the cloud. Maybe you can simply barter it with your next door neighbor. At $60/year/computer the cloud is not very cheap either. I do agree with Gustin on the raid 5 being surpassed by raid 6, however if you are going to settle

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-31 Thread Gustin Johnson
Offsite would be ideal, though probably easier and cheaper to use an online backup service like Carbonite. Typically a NAS just sits somewhere in your network. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Joe S wrote: > Thanks for the info. I'll have to look at raid. Don't know > anything about it at the

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-30 Thread Joe S
Thanks for the info. I'll have to look at raid. Don't know anything about it at the moment and don't really have the time at present. NAS I'm assuming to make it worthwhile I would have to have someplace outside my residence to back up to? On Fri, 30 May 2014 11:43:45 -0600 Gustin Johnson wrote:

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-30 Thread Gustin Johnson
Just a couple of comments: RAID 5 is to be avoided at all costs. This is a complicated topic but the short answer is that I don't know anyone for whom RAID5 is a good idea. Raid 1, 10, and 6 are the levels that interest you. "Green" branded drives are fine since most NAS enclosures do not use a

Re: [clug-talk] External Hard Drive

2014-05-30 Thread Bogi
Hi Joe, Having a single drive external, while better than nothing is way not as good as having a 2 bay / drive raid 1 enclosure. in terms of safety i am talking. A step up in terms of safety would be a 4 drive raid 1 or 5 enclosure. A step up in all these cases, is having the drives/enclosures a