[Cloud] Re: WMCS team work transparency (was: New servers don't show up on grafana-labs.wikimedia.org)

2022-10-07 Thread Taavi Väänänen
On 10/6/22 23:16, Andrew Bogott wrote: I'm definitely interested in talking and thinking about this more. I think it is true that the cloud services staff have started coordinating more frequently in video calls, so your comment is a useful reminder that we need to redouble our efforts on post-

[Cloud] Re: WMCS team work transparency (was: New servers don't show up on grafana-labs.wikimedia.org)

2022-10-07 Thread Vivian Rook
> The work on Magnum (k8s-as-a-service) also falls in this category I > think. I know that there's work going on to make Magnum available to > Cloud VPS users, but I don't know if that's intended to be used by > non-WMCS managed projects or if there are plans to move PAWS or > Toolforge to use it.

[Cloud] Re: WMCS team work transparency (was: New servers don't show up on grafana-labs.wikimedia.org)

2022-10-07 Thread Bryan Davis
On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 1:14 AM Taavi Väänänen wrote: > > As a final note, I've been referring to the #wikimedia-cloud-admin IRC > channel and the cloud-admin mailing list as public venues. While > technically true (the IRC channel and the mailing list archives are > public), I don't think those ar

[Cloud] Re: [Small wiki toolkits] Upcoming "How to interact with Wikidata via Pywikibot" workshop on Friday, October 7th, 16:00 UTC

2022-10-07 Thread Srishti Sethi
Hello everyone, This is a reminder that the workshop will start in 30 minutes. Thank you! On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 9:07 PM Srishti Sethi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > The eighth workshop on the topic of "How to interact with Wikidata via > Pywikibot" is coming up - it will take place on Friday, Oc

[Cloud] Re: WMCS team work transparency (was: New servers don't show up on grafana-labs.wikimedia.org)

2022-10-07 Thread Andrew Otto
FWIW, the WMF Data Engineering team has had some discussions about this in the past, and we decided that all decisions and real work doc has to be either in Phabricator or on a Wiki. We use Slack or IRC to discuss things, but if we come to a conclusion, we try to summarize and document the conclu

[Cloud] Re: WMCS team work transparency (was: New servers don't show up on grafana-labs.wikimedia.org)

2022-10-07 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Andrew, I think one general issue is the lack of transparency (and community involvement) in the decision making discussions. Not the documentation of the decisions once done. That's good to have but if we have transparency as a guiding principle, we should include that in the discussions too. My

[Cloud] Re: WMCS team work transparency (was: New servers don't show up on grafana-labs.wikimedia.org)

2022-10-07 Thread Andrew Otto
+1 On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 2:04 PM Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Andrew, > I think one general issue is the lack of transparency (and community > involvement) in the decision making discussions. Not the documentation of > the decisions once done. That's good to have but if we have transparency as > a