Re: Log4j not detected when using recent jars

2010-01-12 Thread Luc Préfontaine
We have been using 1.2.14 for more than a year without any glitches yet. Luc On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 23:22 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > On Tuesday 12 January 2010 07:30 PM, Shantanu Kumar wrote: > > This behaviour might occur due to an old Apache Commons-Logging JAR, > > s

Re: Clojure Conference Poll

2010-01-22 Thread Luc Prefontaine
accessible in one hop would be great. I guess central time areas more or less would be a good compromise for everyone. As for great bars, the look does not matter too much after a few drinks :))) Luc Sent from my iPod On 2010-01-22, at 12:36 PM, dysinger wrote: We will be organizing a

Re: Clojure Conference Poll

2010-01-27 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Then lets call it ClojureFest Luc On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 08:37 -0800, eyeris wrote: > Exotic? You got it! Madison, WI! Seriously, we have the best bars. See > you guys in the fall! :) > > I would prefer it during the week. > > > > On Jan 22, 3:15 pm, Wilson Mac

Re: Clojure Conference Poll

2010-01-27 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Hic ! On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:59 -0500, Luc Préfontaine wrote: > Then lets call it ClojureFest > > Luc > > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 08:37 -0800, eyeris wrote: > > > Exotic? You got it! Madison, WI! Seriously, we have the best bars. See > > you guys in the fa

Re: Clojure Conference Poll

2010-01-28 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Where's the reference to the booze then ? :))) Since this thread started, everyone has been saying that bars in their neighbourhood are the best. Still wondering if this conference is only a motive to get drunk for a few days :))) Luc On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:02 -0800, Paul Nakata wrote:

Re: using counterclockwise with 1.2 snapshots?

2010-03-11 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Hi Stuart, we do exactly the same thing here. We want to insure that we always use the same Clojure/Contrib run times as we have currently in production. Luc On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:18 -0500, Stuart Halloway wrote: > What is the preferred way of using counterclockwise with 1.2 > sna

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-21 Thread Luc Préfontaine
ow difficult/easy it is to get acquainted with Clojure but I wonder if we all understand the same things about this issue. Do we need to gather requirements somehow ? (!?!?!) Comments anyone ? Luc P. On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 22:08 +0100, Marek Kubica wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:42:12 -080

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-21 Thread Luc Préfontaine
that possible. If the consensus is that we need to package installers to get simple Clojure REPLs running on Windows and Linux in a command line window then let's do it. I think that all the infrastructure is ready (maven like repo, ...). Luc On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 22:52 -0500, Cosmin Steje

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Is my first impression right or wrong ? Is Clojure harder to setup from Windows for beginners ? Would an installer (.msi) help by hiding Java related details and providing some basic scripts to run it ? Luc P. On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 16:48 +0530, Martin DeMello wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
there ? Starting Clojure from command line on Windows is this satisfactory for everyone ? Maybe a helper to start CMD in a folder from a context menu would be of some help ? Anything else ? Luc P. On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 00:33 -0400, Douglas Philips wrote: > On 2010 Mar 21, at 11:52 PM, Cosmin St

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
d face. It looks to me that we have all the answers but not in a single spot. Luc P. On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 06:44 -0700, Sean Devlin wrote: > Luc, > Windows users should be good to go. Clojurebox, Enclojure & CCW are > ready for use for any Java dev with some experience. As for

Re: Choosing a Clojure build tool

2010-03-26 Thread Luc Préfontaine
y one is also on the table. I do not call this hilarious (or obsessive), it's called common sense. Humans could still be reinventing fire every century but there's no added value to this process. Luc P. On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 16:49 +1030, Antony Blakey wrote: > On 26/03/2010, at

Re: convert hex string to number

2010-03-27 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Use a try catch around parseInt to report bad hex nb formats. At least you'll know if you are feedind odd values to your hex function. Luc Sent from my iPod On 2010-03-27, at 5:18 PM, Glen Rubin wrote: thanks...you rock!! On Mar 27, 4:17 pm, Richard Newman wrote: Is there a functio

clojure.set index not handling large sets...

2010-04-15 Thread Luc Préfontaine
ng the master branch. I will investigate this in the runtime later but maybe someone has crossed over this problem in the past. Luc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.

Re: clojure.set index not handling large sets...

2010-04-16 Thread Luc Préfontaine
that is waiting for me. Maybe meanwhile some light will pop up in my brains as to which approach to take to find the cause. Luc On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 12:09 +0700, Per Vognsen wrote: > That sounds weird. If you know what keys weren't making it into the > index as expected, did you try r

Re: Slides for short (45 minutes) presentation of clojure for java devs

2010-04-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Is there a Dutch version of Clojure ?!?!?! I want one in French then : (Laurent you just said you like to be bashed didn't you ? :))) Luc On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 15:09 +0200, Laurent PETIT wrote: > Could I still take a look at it, to see the kind of examples you > provided (are

Re: Execute a string containing a form?

2010-04-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
s one of the features we needed to get that message bus thing to lift up as a generic product and avoid specific code implementation. Luc P. On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 16:12 +0200, Heinz N. Gies wrote: > On Apr 22, 2010, at 14:28 , Douglas Philips wrote: > > eval can be a dangerous thing to

Re: 1.2 release ?

2010-05-04 Thread Luc Préfontaine
fall will use 1.2 and by then we should have tripped over most of the problems in our code. Good occasion to do some code reviews... Thank you, Luc P. On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 09:28 -0400, Rich Hickey wrote: > On May 3, 2010, at 10:26 PM, lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: > > > Hi

Re: How to use clojure-contrib library

2010-05-10 Thread Luc Préfontaine
. The libraries are colon delimited and I think it's the same on both Windows and u*x. -server is used for performance reasons. It modifies the behavior of the Java virtual machine and makes it run faster for our purpose. This should get you started. Luc On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 14:48

Re: How to use clojure-contrib library

2010-05-11 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Oups, I stopped using windows for so long that I forgot about the semi-colon thing :))) That frees a lot of memory for other stuff... Luc On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 08:38 +0200, Michael Wood wrote: > On 11 May 2010 03:30, Luc Préfontaine wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > The

Re: How to use clojure-contrib library

2010-05-11 Thread Luc Préfontaine
using an older snapshot. Make sure the versions of Clojure and contrib are compatible (either all 1.0, all 1.1 or latest 1.2 snapshots) otherwise you will end up with strange behaviors. Luc On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 14:15 -0700, Mat wrote: > On May 11, 7:41 am, Mat wrote: > > Thank you

Re: How to use clojure-contrib library

2010-05-12 Thread Luc Préfontaine
I checked and yes it's a 1.2 feature in contrib. So check out the master branch of both projects (clojure and clojure-contrib) and build them to get the latest snapshots. Beware that the jar file names will not be the same so change your class path accordingly. Luc On Tue, 2010-05-11 at

Re: promoting contrib.string to clojure, feedback requested

2010-05-26 Thread Luc Préfontaine
rpluck then ? (in French, pluck => effeuiller and the name effeuilleuse is one of the synonyms for stripteaser :))) ltrim & co.intents are a bit more precise Luc :))) > -- > Mike Meyerhttp://www.mired.org/consulting.html > Independent Network/Unix/Perforce con

Re: any downside to putting everything into CLASSPATH?

2010-05-27 Thread Luc Préfontaine
project.clj files, the common folder content and our maven repo) automation but it's a lot less work than letting this loose. As Stuart said, there's no significant overhead until you start to ask to load classes. Luc P. On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 21:22 -0700, Imran wrote: > Ok, so as long as

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

2010-05-27 Thread Luc Préfontaine
+1 for Swing. We deal with multiple platforms here and have enough headaches with this so lets not hammer again on our poor brains :))) Luc On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 11:59 -0700, Brian Schlining wrote: > +1 Swing. SWT comes with far to many deployment headaches. > > >

Re: [ANN] dformat 0.1.0

2015-01-15 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Euuh ? I was expecting to find %5 and above and a bunch of embedded forms -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient

Re: Set equality bug?

2015-01-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
ng in computations, ...). We could even choose the runtime float representation to minimize errors in computations and take the best one given the app at hand. Avoid mixing them. That's the only safe escape. Luc P. > My one cent: > > But I think (and it's just my humble opi

Re: Set equality bug?

2015-01-23 Thread Luc Prefontaine
rick, fine. But that's a trick nothing else. The problem will resurface in some form in another. Better cope with reality... Luc P. > On Jan 23, 2015, at 1:33 AM, Immo Heikkinen wrote: > > > > I actually ran into this while comparing nested data structures from two > >

Re: Set equality bug?

2015-01-23 Thread Luc Préfontaine
; don't see how your response is relevant. > > > On Jan 23, 2015, at 3:10 AM, Luc Prefontaine > > wrote: > > > > Agree, it's broken... in java... > > Has it has been broken in the past in several architectures... > > > > I understand your f

Re: Set equality bug?

2015-01-23 Thread Luc Prefontaine
and y refer to the same object (x == y has the value true). => (class (float 3.2)) java.lang.Float => (class (double 3.2)) java.lang.Double Oupse... :) Luc P. On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 01:31:31 -0800 Mark Engelberg wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Luc Prefontaine < &

Re: Set equality bug?

2015-01-23 Thread Luc Prefontaine
t; To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Luc Prefontaine sent by ibisMail! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

Re: Set equality bug?

2015-01-23 Thread Luc Prefontaine
ngly dynamically > typed language. > -- Luc Préfontaine SoftAddicts inc. Québec, Canada Mobil: (514) 993-0320 Fax: (514) 800-2017 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@g

Re: Possible additions to tools.trace

2015-02-03 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Hi, Got your ticket notification, it's a busy week, beeing on the road most of it. I will look at it by next Sunday after crossing the Atlantic :) Luc P. > Hi all, > > I've proposed some changed to tools.trace and created an initial > implementation (linked in the J

Re: Extending the LispReader with "embeded language lorms"

2015-02-09 Thread Luc Prefontaine
e pass the test of time and general use then they may end up in some contrib lib or in the core possibly. I apologize for typos, been typing ob my iPhone from my bath :) Luc P. > Not anybody? I'm a little puzzled: is this feature so useless? I thought > embedding stuff like CSV d

Re: Extending the LispReader with "embeded language lorms"

2015-02-09 Thread Luc Prefontaine
t others can reuse. > > If some pass the test of time and general use then they may end up in some > contrib lib or in the core possibly. > > I apologize for typos, been typing ob my iPhone from my bath :) > > Luc P. > > > Not anybody? I'm a little puzzled: is thi

Re: Let bindings and immutability

2015-02-12 Thread Luc Préfontaine
ation details :) As for interop, you enter the mutable world and the familiar rules apply here. The above 'cosmology' sums up how I think when I dive into some Clojure code and it works 99.5% of the time. There's no confusion. Luc P. > On 12/02/2015 01:53, Ben Wolfson wrote: &

Re: To the person who recently tried to post a message about using vert.x library

2015-02-23 Thread Luc Prefontaine
> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Luc Prefontaine sent by ibisMail! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email

Re: Disk based caching for Clojure app

2015-03-06 Thread Luc Prefontaine
with SSDs of decent sizes and not to store only the OS. I think they would restrict usage if rewrites were a huge concern... Luc P. > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 3:16:09 PM UTC-5, Michael Blume wrote: > > > > Possibly stupid question: can you just pretend you have more memory t

Re: [ClojureScript] Re: ANN: ClojureScript 0.0-3115

2015-03-16 Thread Luc Préfontaine
d still be using horse driven carts... I appreciate the life style of Amish communities and would certainly switch to it if I could. But that's not how my world is wired presently. Luc P. > On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 11:23:14 AM UTC-4, David Nolen wrote: > > > > Need more

Re: [ANN][book] Clojure Reactive Programming

2015-03-25 Thread Luc Préfontaine
ally saying publicly what they really think, let's not try to cut their wings... Pleasing the majority is the path to mediocrity. Luc P. > Trust me I have been using Scala + Akka + Play for past three years in > production, and had to deal with tons of incidental complexity plus a lo

Re: [ANN][book] Clojure Reactive Programming

2015-03-26 Thread Luc Préfontaine
The 'attack' word is again a manifestation of extreme political correctness. I will argue that these technologies with their inherent complexity are creating huge bureaucracies to attract and hide unqualified/unskilled/uncommited/... aka 'stupid' people from scrutiny. These environments have t

Re: [ANN][book] Clojure Reactive Programming

2015-03-26 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Fine with me. Let's call it off. It's not either a forum about netiquette or about 'how bad this word/expression hurts anonymous people'. > Luc, you are missing the point: this isn't the forum for that > discussion regardless of how valid the points in t

Re: [ANN][book] Clojure Reactive Programming

2015-03-27 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Bought it myself too... If this is some kind of marketing stunt, it caught me off guard... (sic) Luc P. > The list is so cool that I think this discussion is actually part of the > book's marketing strategy. It worked! I just bought my copy ;-) > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015

Re: [ANN] Clojure related articles on Semaphore Community

2015-03-27 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Nice to you to raise the flag :) Luc P. > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to share a few articles about testing and deployment of Clojure > applications that I wrote for Semaphore Community - > https://semaphoreci.com/community/tags/clojure. > > I plan to continue writi

Re: clojure, not the go to for data science

2015-03-29 Thread Luc Préfontaine
It's fun to see that vintage tools are so much appreciated these days :) Luc P. > Batsov, > > CIDER is the best Clojure IDE. ;) > > -- > @solussd > > > > On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Bozhidar Batsov wrote: > > > > And CIDER isn't, rig

Re: Newbie question about filtrering defrecord

2015-04-04 Thread Luc Préfontaine
oogle Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Luc Préfontaine sent by ibisMail! -- You r

Re: What is current "best practice" regarding exceptions?

2015-04-20 Thread Luc Préfontaine
the failed process being critical or not. Up times above 250 days, restarts only required when upgrading stuff. Luc P. > > I'm curious, how are people in the Clojure community currently dealing with > exceptions? I have a diverse set of questions on this topic. > &g

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

2015-05-02 Thread Luc Prefontaine
ittle value in a branded framework. Being reluctant to be part of a tagged herd, I can't agree with you :) But given my (bad) character this may explain that :) Luc P. > On 03/05/2015 00:53, Christopher Small wrote: > > I disagree with the premise entirely. I think that the Clojure com

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

2015-05-03 Thread Luc Préfontaine
brain power to tear down/recompose things and stop thinking that processes, normalization, herd tagging, etc can lead us to work more efficiently. Processes, conventions, ... may help but at a low scale. Not pushed by at the scale of the whole software industry like these days Variety is the ke

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

2015-05-04 Thread Luc Prefontaine
breaks in obscure ways after an upgrade and requires mods in remote places in foreign code. Luc P. > The thing that bugs me the most about these sort of conversations about > "best practices" is that they often present a set of solutions without > first analyzing the problem at

Why is Caribou unmaintained ?

2015-05-04 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Spawned from the other thread about web frameworks. Can any of the original maintainers answer this one ? Thank you Luc P. -- Luc Prefontaine sent by ibisMail! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, sen

Re: Why is Caribou unmaintained ?

2015-05-04 Thread Luc Préfontaine
t 10:51:35 AM UTC-4, Luc wrote: > > > > Spawned from the other thread about web frameworks. > > > > Can any of the original maintainers answer this one ? > > > > According to that same other thread, it has 2 developers on it, not 0. If > it's f

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

2015-05-04 Thread Luc Préfontaine
I certainly have some personality disorders, but I am not bipolar :) What am I ? Help ! :) Luc P. > > And never has this author proven that programmers with bipolar > personality are > > programming more LISP then other languages. > > It's a metaphor. The author

Re: clojure.lang.LazySeq cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn

2015-05-08 Thread Luc Préfontaine
when the service expires. Oups... Second thing, use doseq, not for if you want the side effects do be done in your notify fn. for will not get your side effects done, it only returns a lazy seq. Luc P. Sent from my iPad > On May 8, 2015, at 08:01, Alexey Astafyev wrote: > > I'm

Re: CLJ-703 - 10x compilation time decrease after applying one-line patch, no downsides.

2015-05-08 Thread Luc Prefontaine
x27;permanent' place. We have been doing this for years to shrink build times. We AOT most of our code base. Luc P. > I'll just say one more time that the team should really consider doing > bug-fix releases in the future. This problem sounds serious enough to be > handled

Re: Multimethod or protocol or...? Clojure design feedback

2015-05-15 Thread Luc Préfontaine
different way to manage this however. Luc P. > Thanks for the feedback guys. Another related Q: The user needs to require > the namespace that those defmethods are defined in for the multi to know > about it. Presumably each defmethods will be in individual files, meaning > the user ha

Re: Using :refer 'sparingly'

2015-05-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
We systematically use refer all on tools.trace and a few other of our name spaces used for production support. It becomes handy in a live repl in production. Luc P. > I agree with the general sentiment expressed here, but would just like to > add that `:refer`-ing a few frequentl

Re: Advice when running java -jar rather than a managed server like tomcat?

2015-05-29 Thread Luc Prefontaine
to the why not, I am eager to see them. In general your mileage will vary depending on your needs. This is the real answer to many of the 'do not do this' so named 'rules'. Luc P. Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2015, at 08:02, piastkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Stua

Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-RC1 now available

2015-06-04 Thread Luc Prefontaine
simplification of front end/back end code. That's a huge relief on my nervous system :) For the first time in many years I enjoy working on a web front end... finally. Thank you all, Luc P. On Thu, 21 May 2015 11:30:47 -0500 Alex Miller wrote: > Clojure 1.7.0-RC1 is now available. > &

Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-RC1 now available

2015-06-04 Thread Luc Prefontaine
nment. Our up times are insane. Yahoo ! Luc > On Jun 4, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Luc Prefontaine > wrote: > > Still 3 months away from production beta. > > I get twitchy if we go more than two weeks between production builds — but > then it’s the web :) > > Sean Corfield --

Re: [ANN] Time-Bombed Open License - thoughts?

2015-06-05 Thread Luc Prefontaine
I agree. I can't see how you can build a business model out of this. We already lower the cost for our customers by using open source as much as possible. Luc P. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:16, Colin Fleming wrote: > > I'm the author of Cursive, which I

Re: boot(2) question

2015-06-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
For is lazy. Replace it with doseq. Use doseq when you want side effects to occur and do not need a result. Luc P. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2015, at 07:51, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying boot scripting capabilities so I have the following file: >

Re: boot(2) question

2015-06-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Btwy, For is not a loop as in imperative languages. It returns a lazy sequence. Luc P. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2015, at 07:51, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying boot scripting capabilities so I have the following file: > > #!/u

Re: 1.7.0b2, lein, cljc and tests

2015-06-19 Thread Luc Préfontaine
t yet. Luc P. > Hi Gary, lein does appear to support it as lein test some-test-in-cljc works, > just not if I do ‘lein test’. Is this expected? I am running 2.5.1 > > > On 19 Jun 2015, at 14:46, Gary Trakhman wrote: > > > > Leiningen needs to support cljc, right

Re: let vs. let*

2015-06-25 Thread Luc Préfontaine
I had to query it myself not knowing what this site was all about, nice tutorial, I think I understood it :) Luc P. > raould, > > I find lmgtfy links to be a condescending way to answer a question and I > would prefer that we not use them on this list. If you have an answer or

Re: Running test.check and cljs.test tests under Clojurescript

2015-06-30 Thread Luc Prefontaine
at the phantomjs folder in the project. Luc P. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2015, at 00:03, Nathan Marz wrote: > > I figured out a way to do it by manually launching a ClojureScript REPL, > writing a test runner script, and then invoking that script at the REPL, like

Re: Counterclockwise's Plugin Shortcuts for OS X

2015-07-07 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Create an external tool command (lein eastwood) perhaps ? Sorry, could not resist :) Luc P. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 7, 2015, at 15:21, JPatrick Davenport wrote: > > Hello, > I want to use the linter within Eclipse. I followed the instructions for both > the plugin man

Re: clojure don't support .clj source code file by utf-8.

2015-07-12 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Windows a problem ? N, impossible :))) Luc P. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2015, at 19:39, Sungjin Chun wrote: > > On Mac OS X (Yosemite) and Linux (Ubuntu), this code works well (I'm using > en_US.UTF-8 as > charset and encoding for my system). > > I su

Re: clojure don't support .clj source code file by utf-8.

2015-07-13 Thread Luc Préfontaine
have a BOM. You can do this on a per file basis using an IDE (Eclipse, ...) or if you can use bash scripts to do this if you have access to a u*x environment. I did not find an equivalent native windows tool but they might be some to do this in batch. Luc P. > Of course not. My files do

Re: clojure don't support .clj source code file by utf-8.

2015-07-13 Thread Luc Préfontaine
me unreadable binary format. Googled a bit about this and numerous people face this problem reading windows generated files. They all ended up having to skip the BOM if present when reading the file. So much for portability. Beurk. > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Luc Préfontaine < >

Re: clojure don't support .clj source code file by utf-8.

2015-07-13 Thread Luc Prefontaine
u have > to use correct charset for i18n application :-) > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:56 PM Luc Préfontaine >> wrote: >> I cannot remember the details but in 2010 I had similar problem in a >> cross-platform project >> using Clojure. And problems earlier i

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
nux likewise. Search for Linus rants about contributors and try to relate this with the level of success of Linux. They are not so many open source projects that have the same stability from release to release as Clojure or Linux. Control and absence of complacency are key factors to achieve this

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
bout the emails exchanged on the mailing list. Suggestions are certainly looked upon and discussed upstream. It does not mean that they will be considered worth to investigate/implement or they may come out differently (that ego thing looming again). +1 for Jira and patches. Luc P. On Sat, 18 Ju

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-18 Thread Luc Préfontaine
's no free lunch but many people would like one. To me it boils down to this question: Can the needs of one person compromise a group effort ? I don't think so. But this is only my opinion. Luc P. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 18, 2015, at 13:32, Andrey Antukh wrote: > > > &

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-18 Thread Luc Préfontaine
tain sure I would not use Rails or Ruby for this purpose. Luc P. Luc P. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 18, 2015, at 14:32, Bozhidar Batsov wrote: > >> On 18 July 2015 at 20:18, Luc Prefontaine >> wrote: >> Aaah ! The pull request looms again :) >> >> A bug trac

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
reluctant to log a ticket and submit a patch instead of ranting about it. This is the main point you missed. That 'entry barrier' of yours does not stand with Linux. I would think hard about the reasons behind these numbers. There has to be some value added in the process of submitting patch

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-19 Thread Luc Prefontaine
nt on this, it was not addressed to you personally. Just zap. He can rant on me on this mailing list, I will not whine about it. I'm made though. Kumbaya... Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2015, at 04:21, Max Gonzih wrote: > > > >> On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-19 Thread Luc Prefontaine
I agree with you but changes like this need time to bloom and are motivated by increased pressure to release. We have been seeing more of that in the last year. Linus did not find solid maintainers day one. You need to test drive individuals before you can delegate significant chunks and not wo

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-19 Thread Luc Préfontaine
emailed comments/complaints as is and anonymously if asked for. Some are stamp collectors, I could start an original collection of my own. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 19, 2015, at 09:36, Colin Fleming wrote: > >> On 18 July 2015 at 19:54, Luc Préfontaine >> wrote: >

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-20 Thread Luc Prefontaine
e writing of a patch and its application > to the code base, a lot of them already need to be rebased/rewritten > to apply cleanly, often multiple times. > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Luc Prefontaine > wrote: >> Sure, indentation is what gets the code running on metal :)) &

Re: #{:rant} Questions about contribution policy and clojure compiler source.

2015-07-20 Thread Luc Prefontaine
re > whereas you, as far as I can tell, have never written any, means that his > opinion holds a lot more weight in this discussion, for me at least. > >> On 20 July 2015 at 14:45, Luc Prefontaine >> wrote: >> >> --- advanced warning: the following section contain

Re: CLJS Function clobbering js function of same name

2014-08-04 Thread Luc Prefontaine
That's what I inferred but it has nothing to do with my astonishing ESP capabilities, currently drinking an excellent beer in Rabat :) Cheers, Luc P > I meant would not > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM, David Nolen wrote: > > > I would rely on the behavior

Re: Is Clojure a language for growth?

2014-08-21 Thread Luc Prefontaine
gn of inefficiency except if you intend to send men on the moon or similar unusual goals. Luc P. > + Grammar. I should not write correspondence before having coffee. > > On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:31:42 AM UTC+2, Henrik Eneroth wrote: > > > > Sweden has some things going for it,

Re: Useless Java error messages

2014-09-01 Thread Luc Prefontaine
this one either. You do not have any source file line number anywhere in the stack trace pointing to your code ? Luc P. > Compiling a file in Emacs, this error: > > "NullPointerException clojure.lang.Numbers.ops (Numbers.java:961)" > > . leaves me clueless as to

Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2

2014-09-08 Thread Luc Prefontaine
+1 for the ! No atomic changes here, no coordination whatsoever. At the mercy of the caller... > I asked Rich and he said "making a volatile is as dangerous as any ! op". > > Some people have also asked about vswap! being a macro instead of a method > on Volatile. The issue there is that vswap!

Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha2

2014-09-09 Thread Luc Prefontaine
. It should be kept local (no leak outside of a narrow scope) and certainly not shared by multiple threads. Luc P. > Excuse my ignorance but does "volatile!" have anything to do with Java's > "volatile" keyword? Is there any relation at all? I'm not s

Re: Profiling in Counterclockwise

2014-10-05 Thread Luc Prefontaine
aving the REPL. I use VisualVM and similar tools for integrated tests once the app is packaged as a safeguard. Luc P. > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 3:57:37 PM UTC-4, Gary Verhaegen wrote: > > > > When I need to profile (which is asmittedly quite rare), I use VisualVM, > &

Re: Profiling in Counterclockwise

2014-10-05 Thread Luc Prefontaine
s early in dev with a time efficient tool to me is a better use of my time than using a sophisticated one requiring some complex wiring from my part. Luc P. > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:58:04 PM UTC-4, Luc wrote: > > > > Have a look at criterium. > > > > ht

Re: Modelling in Clojure

2014-10-17 Thread Luc Préfontaine
itself. The net result is that my code has few vars aside from the functions themselves and less state concerns. I agree that it requires some brain cells rewiring. I went along that path the first year I worked non-stop with Clojure. Luc P. > > Actually, I think that this is a r

Re: Modelling in Clojure

2014-10-18 Thread Luc Préfontaine
business domain and the rest is made up mostly of DSLs. What a relief Luc P. > On 18 October 2014 08:28, Mark Engelberg wrote: > > > Yeah, it's hard to deny the convenience of Clojure's keyword lookups and > > standard assoc mechanism for getting and settin

Re: Demoralising experience trying to install on Win 7

2014-10-25 Thread Luc Préfontaine
Microsoft not wanting to confuse the end user ?!?!?!? I am baffled :))) Luc P. > I'll take a wild guess and say the "flashing" properly is a console with a > message Microsoft don't want to confuse you with. > > That said, the message i get here, is that

Re: CCW bug [SEVERE]

2014-10-26 Thread Luc Préfontaine
amount of money, you can legitimately yell at your suppliier. Most clients don't which is odd considering the pile of crap shipped by many software suppliers. In the open source world, you do not have this leverage and if you do not report the issue nothing will ever happen to solve it.

Re: CCW bug [SEVERE]

2014-10-28 Thread Luc Prefontaine
gt; For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new memb

Re: where do I think the wrong way

2014-10-29 Thread Luc Prefontaine
be from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To uns

Re: CCW bug [SEVERE]

2014-10-31 Thread Luc Préfontaine
wine than trying to guess what happened here. I would do the same... Luc P. > On Friday, October 31, 2014 2:24:04 PM UTC-4, Laurent PETIT wrote: > > > > Also, if you can attach the workspace's .metadata/.log file, I can take a > > look at it. > > > > I have

Re: CCW bug [SEVERE]

2014-10-31 Thread Luc Prefontaine
e log that have nothing to do with CCW and that could give an idea of the root of the problem. I'll leave you to think about this and figure out what should be your next action. Guess what ? It's not adding another email to this thread, I wrote 'action' above. Luc P. >

Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.7.0-alpha3 now available

2014-11-02 Thread Luc Préfontaine
name. If I recall most of these where anonymous fns. With 140 (143 in my case) bytes you have to shorten the folder path as much as you can if you expect compilation to succeed and avoid fns with complex signatures. Luc P. > I hit this error when moving to a new box that had an encrypted

Re: Thnx for clojureconj videos !!

2014-11-22 Thread Luc Préfontaine
+1, could not make it to Washington, my agenda was tossed upside down last week but with these at least I am not missing all of it. Thank you, Luc P. > Thank you very much for clojureconj videos !! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >

Re: clojure.edn won't accept clojure.java.io/reader? How to work around this and why isn't this documented anywhere?

2014-12-08 Thread Luc Préfontaine
duration of the operation Sorry for all the buddhist monks that may be offended by the above :) I like black humor very much and this is probably the only joke that I can write on this list that will not qualify me hopefully for eternal damnation... Euh moderation... Luc P. Sent from my iPad >

Re: Clojure Style Guide

2014-12-20 Thread Luc Préfontaine
s not worth the energy it sucks. I suggest reading a 'Brave New World' for those who think that a stronger initiative than defaults is required :) Or punch out a few thousand cards of Cobol code lines to get the feeling... Luc P. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 20, 2014, at 09:57, C

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