On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:44:09 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote:
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> It was intended to be purely anecdotal but that doesn't seem to satisfy
> anyone! :)
>
Homer: "You know, when I was a boy, I really wanted a catcher's mitt, but my
dad wouldn't get it for me. So I held my breath until I pas
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Edward Garson wrote:
> Native Erlang does have a macro facility, but it is not as powerful as
> Lisp/Clojure's.
lfe, baby, though of course that is not "native" erlang.
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Native Erlang does have a macro facility, but it is not as powerful as
Lisp/Clojure's.
On Sep 15, 2:15 am, cig wrote:
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> In a wide spread environment I think Erlang would be the true winner,
> though it does not natively have macros :-(
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM, cig wrote:
> Impressive, wonder if they were running this on a single node or more
> widespread?
We run an instance of the process on multiple nodes, configured
slightly differently. We needed "some" parallelization to improve
throughput but didn't need a massive
Impressive, wonder if they were running this on a single node or more
widespread?
In a wide spread environment I think Erlang would be the true winner,
though it does not natively have macros :-(
There is an implementation of Lisp for Erlang called LFE (lisp
flavored Erlang) which I looked at, whic
Oh, it was just one, after all ?
Please, don't tell this to my boss :-D
2011/9/13 Meikel Brandmeyer
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Nathan Sorenson wrote:
> I adore Clojure as well, but could this success not be partially due
> to the "reimplementing for the second time" phenomenon? i.e. if you re-
> wrote the entire thing in Scala again, perhaps you would see similar
> gains in brevity etc?
W
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Isn't it Brooks who said "you will throw it away at least 3 times", or
something like this ? :)
2011/9/13 Nathan Sorenson
> I adore Clojure as well, but could this success not be partially due
> to the "reimplementing for the second time" phenomenon? i.e. if you re-
> wrote the entire thing in S
I adore Clojure as well, but could this success not be partially due
to the "reimplementing for the second time" phenomenon? i.e. if you re-
wrote the entire thing in Scala again, perhaps you would see similar
gains in brevity etc?
On Sep 6, 10:32 pm, Sean Corfield wrote:
> I just wanted to share
I've used Apache Commons Daemon in my projects
On windows I had following registration .bat to run it as service:
@echo off
cd /D "$INSTALL_PATH\sbin"
SET UHOME=$INSTALL_PATH
SET UMAINCLASS=myprog.main
SET ULOGDIR=%UHOME%\var\log
MKDIR %UHOME%\var\tmp\myprog\
MKDIR %ULOGDIR%
%UHOME%\sbin\%PROC
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:53:43 PM UTC-5, Marko Kocić wrote:
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> Thanks for the tip about jsvc. I'll give it a try. Do you have some script
> examples to share, since having Linux service is exactly what I need?
I strongly recommend Tanuki's wrapper over jsvc:
http://wrapper.tanukisoftw
On 09/07/2011 02:53 PM, Marko Kocić wrote:
Thanks for the tip about jsvc. I'll give it a try. Do you have some script
examples to share, since having Linux service is exactly what I need?
Thanks,
Marko
I'll try and put together a few things including the code that
implements the interface to
Thanks for the tip about jsvc. I'll give it a try. Do you have some script
examples to share, since having Linux service is exactly what I need?
Thanks,
Marko
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I have used jsvc in the past and found it to be a great tool. It allows you to
configure which user the application runs as, and does proper detaching. It
allows you to configure output streams and pid files to your liking. I have
written some simple init scripts as well to make it very unix ser
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Dennis Haupt wrote:
> so the scala actors add much more overhead than the clojure equivalent?
The main problem is that the current implementation of actors in Scala
suffers from known memory leaks and performance problems - problems
that are completely addressed b
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so the scala actors add much more overhead than the clojure equivalent?
Am 07.09.2011 07:32, schrieb Sean Corfield:
> I just wanted to share this experience from World Singles...
>
> Back in November 2009, we started developing with Scala. We needed
the lein-daemon plugin seems to do that
Il giorno 07/set/2011 16.27, "Marko Kocić" ha
scritto:
> While we are at this topic, how do you run Clojure deamons. Do you have
some
> scripts to set it up how?
> Is there a simple way to daemonize lein project?
>
> Regards,
> Marko
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While we are at this topic, how do you run Clojure deamons. Do you have some
scripts to set it up how?
Is there a simple way to daemonize lein project?
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Hi,
We have been running Clojure daemons 24/7 in prod. since Jan. 2009.
We also considered Scala back in 2008.
We could not agree more with your conclusions :)
Luc P.
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Sean Corfield wrote:
> I just wanted to share this experience from World Singles...
>
> Bac
Thanks for sharing Sean, very interesting!
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I just wanted to share this experience from World Singles...
Back in November 2009, we started developing with Scala. We needed a
long-running process that published large volumes of changes from our
member database as XML packets published to a custom search engine.
The mapping from half a dozen
e,
I just picked a new word 'Rogramming'?
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:30 AM, e wrote:
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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Emeka wrote:
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>> e,
>>
>> What is inspiring in it?
>>
>
> H from time to time, people use percent literacy as a measure of
> public intellectual
http://www.pragprog.com/magazines/download/1.pdf
Page 16
RH talks about Erlang and Scala vs Clojure in an interview
I found it to be a very useful comparison
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Emeka wrote:
> e,
>
> What is inspiring in it?
>
H from time to time, people use percent literacy as a measure of
public intellectual health, right? In that case, it's sort of obvious that
literacy is a goal. Well, I'm wondering if we need to add a 4t
RE (1)
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Agreed on all points. Clojure seems to have captured a large share of
excitement and the effort put into the community documentation [1] is
staggering and only set to get better. I liken the excitement behind
Clojure to that behind Ruby (minus the drama). More and more people
are
e,
What is inspiring in it?
Regards,
Emeka
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM, e wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Stuart Halloway <
> stuart.hallo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> As the author of the book, you can bet I have an opinion on the
>> quality of the docs. :-)
>>
>> (1) I think t
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Stuart Halloway
wrote:
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> As the author of the book, you can bet I have an opinion on the
> quality of the docs. :-)
>
> (1) I think the documentation for Clojure (website, Mark Volkmann's
> long article [1], blog posts, the book [2]) is *insanely* good, given
> h
As the author of the book, you can bet I have an opinion on the
quality of the docs. :-)
(1) I think the documentation for Clojure (website, Mark Volkmann's
long article [1], blog posts, the book [2]) is *insanely* good, given
how young the language is. But...
(2) If you are coming from a
On 26 Aug 2009, at 22:09, Jon Harrop wrote:
>> That is true in principle, but integrating Lisp-style macros and
>> compulsory static typing (as opposed to optional type hints) into the
>> same language does require some careful thought. I haven't seen
>> such a
>> combination yet...
>
> I'm not
We looked at Scala in summer 2008... we were very tired of data typing
in general and OOP (specifically Java).
We did not find any comfort in Scala regarding these aspects.
Concurrencent processing in Scala did not enthusiast us either.
We wanted a significant code compression factor compared to e
> For instance, after having read odersky's Scala book. . . if you like
> static typing and are looking for a new language, I don't see why you
> would choose Scala over Haskell unless you have a strong investment in
> java or really like the Lift web framework. Unrestricted use of vars,
> for ins
>
> Listed as a downer for Scala: "Functional programming can be difficult
> to understand for a Java developer" - same can be said for Clojure, so
> I think it is a similarity but he presents it as a difference.
>
Wow. All the more reason for a Java developer to mess with it then! After
all, Ja
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:18 AM, ngocdaothanh wrote:
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> I think there are a lot of people who need to choose between Clojure
> and Scala to study as a "new" language. I must say that both are bad:
> * Clojure doc is hard to understand.
> * Scala grammar is complicated.
>
> I prefer Clojure. I thi
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Jon Harrop wrote:
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> What does "Very clever immutable datastructures" mean? How are Clojure's any
> more "clever" than the next implementation?
My guess is that he was referring to how the data structures in
Clojure are immutable and persistent (meaning that one
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 21:43:56 npowell wrote:
> On Aug 25, 4:36 pm, Christian Vest Hansen
>
> wrote:
> > I think he misrepresents both Scala and Clojure.
>
> ...
>
> Not a super helpful assessment.
>
> I'd like to hear more. What do you disagree with and why?
I think most of the article was
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 04:37:58 Alan Busby wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:43 AM, npowell wrote:
> > I mean, I didn't think the article was terribly in depth, but a real,
> > evenhanded comparison would be enlightening.
>
> Reducing it further, I'd be interested just to hear more about th
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 08:35:49 Konrad Hinsen wrote:
> On 26 Aug 2009, at 07:06, Vagif Verdi wrote:
> > I fail to see how macros can be contrasted to static typeng. They are
> > orthogonal.
>
> That is true in principle, but integrating Lisp-style macros and
> compulsory static typing (as opp
I didn't find that article particularly helpful, especially since I
was facing the exact same decision just a year ago.
For me, the difficulty of the language was the ultimate criteria I
made me go with Clojure.
Relative to Scala, Clojure is quite a bit easier to pickup. It has
less syntax rules
On Aug 26, 5:29 am, Christian Vest Hansen
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> Another Scala downer: "Scala is very powerful, some developers might
> shoot themselves into the foot" - I don't see how this applies more to
> Scala than Clojure. If we want to talk about foot-shooting, we could
> talk about macros. There are
> In the meantime this may be helpful:
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Clojure_Programming/Examples/API_Example...
Thank you, this is very helpful.
> > * Clojure doc is hard to understand.
>
> Have you seen http://ociweb.com/mark/clojure/article.html?
Yes I have, this may be the best Clojure doc
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:18 AM, ngocdaothanh wrote:
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> I think there are a lot of people who need to choose between Clojure
> and Scala to study as a "new" language. I must say that both are bad:
> * Clojure doc is hard to understand.
Have you seen http://ociweb.com/mark/clojure/article.html?
Quick aside:
There is now a doc directory in contrib, specifically for usage
docs. There should be more examples coming in the future.
On Aug 26, 1:18 am, ngocdaothanh wrote:
> I think there are a lot of people who need to choose between Clojure
> and Scala to study as a "new" language. I mus
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM, npowell wrote:
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> On Aug 25, 4:36 pm, Christian Vest Hansen
> wrote:
>> I think he misrepresents both Scala and Clojure.
>
> ...
>
> Not a super helpful assessment.
>
> I'd like to hear more. What do you disagree with and why?
Listed as a downer for Scala: "Fu
2009/8/26 Konrad Hinsen :
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> On 26 Aug 2009, at 07:06, Vagif Verdi wrote:
[...]
>> Here's and example of statically typed language (liskell)
>> with lisp syntax and full blown lisp macros:
>> http://blog.clemens.endorphin.org/2009/01/liskell-standalone.html
>
> ...this site is down at the moment.
On 26 Aug 2009, at 07:06, Vagif Verdi wrote:
> I fail to see how macros can be contrasted to static typeng. They are
> orthogonal.
That is true in principle, but integrating Lisp-style macros and
compulsory static typing (as opposed to optional type hints) into the
same language does require
> My wish: There are easy-to-understand examples in API doc.
>From another thread I see that the api doc is being automated, so
maybe this presents an opportunity to include a new meta tag such
as :eg or :example (to allow them to be viewed separately from :doc -
or if this is not a good idea may
I think there are a lot of people who need to choose between Clojure
and Scala to study as a "new" language. I must say that both are bad:
* Clojure doc is hard to understand.
* Scala grammar is complicated.
I prefer Clojure. I think Clojure feature at this time is OK, thus the
decisive point to
On Aug 25, 7:37 pm, Alan Busby wrote:
> Reducing it further, I'd be interested just to hear more about the contrast
> of static typing versus macros. Which is more beneficial for different
> situations and why?
I fail to see how macros can be contrasted to static typeng. They are
orthogonal. Her
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:43 AM, npowell wrote:
>
> I mean, I didn't think the article was terribly in depth, but a real,
> evenhanded comparison would be enlightening.
Reducing it further, I'd be interested just to hear more about the contrast
of static typing versus macros. Which is more benef
On Aug 25, 4:36 pm, Christian Vest Hansen
wrote:
> I think he misrepresents both Scala and Clojure.
...
Not a super helpful assessment.
I'd like to hear more. What do you disagree with and why?
I think the comparisons are inevitable, and knowing more about both
helps developers make good cho
Plus, his spelling and grammar is atrocious. If you're going to write
a blog, proofread what you're writing!
(I know this is harder for non-English speakers, but it does make a
huge difference to the perceived quality of what you're saying.)
On Aug 25, 1:36 pm, Christian Vest Hansen
wrote:
> I
I think he misrepresents both Scala and Clojure.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Emeka wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> This sounds great!
>
> http://codemonkeyism.com/clojure-scala-part-2/
>
>
> Regards,
> Emeka
> >
>
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This sounds great!
http://codemonkeyism.com/clojure-scala-part-2/
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