Re: The magic of Lisps

2019-05-03 Thread Moe Aboulkheir
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:46 AM Erik Assum wrote: > I see, and acknowledge that eg the go-macro core.async is a wonderful > piece of work, and that it’s really cool that it could be done in a > library. But as an application programmer, I really don’t care if it’s a > macro or a language feature

Re: The magic of Lisps

2019-04-30 Thread Matching Socks
We owe much of Clojure's utility and innovation to a *community* of macro writers. core.match, core.logic, clojure.test, Tellman's Manifold... You are in deep trouble if you "brute-force" your way around what Manifold does, by melding the complexity into your application space. And those lib

Re: The magic of Lisps

2019-04-28 Thread John Newman
I like Eric Normand's take here: https://lispcast.com/magical-leverage-languages/ On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 9:46 AM wrote: > I agree Erik, macros and the dsl idea are edge cases imho. Having written > clojure for 4 years now (and with 30 as a professional developer) I’ve only > written a few macro

Re: The magic of Lisps

2019-04-28 Thread rick
I agree Erik, macros and the dsl idea are edge cases imho. Having written clojure for 4 years now (and with 30 as a professional developer) I’ve only written a few macros and they were for very specific use cases where I wanted to support something specific. I think they are over-hyped feature

Re: The magic of Lisps

2019-04-28 Thread James Reeves
Macros allow for experimentation in language design, not only by third parties, but also by the developers of the language themselves. If you have an idea for some new piece of syntax, it can be tried out in a library first. Macros are also useful for precompiling code for performance. If you have