Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-03-12 Thread David Jacobs
All of the feedback here was really helpful. As a followup, I wanted to let you know that my company is The Minerva Project, and we've been given $25 million to build a university. After a lot of back and forth about which technology we wanted to use on the product side, we ended up settling o

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-09 Thread Ben Mabey
On 1/7/13 4:02 PM, David Jacobs wrote: What other tips do you have for convincing an employer that Clojure makes good business sense? (Of course I've already told them about domain-tailored abstractions, containing complexity, the ease of data manipulation with a functional language, etc.)

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Peter Mancini
Our company was recently formed in stages. The first stage did a lot of research and decided we needed strong NLP tools and felt that the right direction to go with the NLP was Python. I had spent 7 years doing NLP and advised them on that aspect and had spent a lot of time doing NLP in Python.

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread David Jacobs
With the* team, that is. (Couldn't let that stay uncorrected heh. I hear ya, Colin, re: sleep.) On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:35:07 AM UTC-8, David Jacobs wrote: > > Thanks for all of the feedback and suggestions, everyone. To clear one > thing up, I'm working at an early-stage SF startup, so t

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread David Jacobs
Thanks for all of the feedback and suggestions, everyone. To clear one thing up, I'm working at an early-stage SF startup, so the alternatives are along the lines of Ruby/Python/Node, not Java. That said, I think these arguments are great -- I'll definitely share them with team. Cheers, David

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Softaddicts
Many businesses are short term driven. The paradigm change so called "cost" is a good way to spread fud. However, it may be hard to analyze this solely on specific language features versus what benefits you may get. Here, we had a mixed Java/JRuby/Clojure code base since we went in production in

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Colin Yates
(please ignore the atrocious speling mistax in my previous post - not enough sleep) On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 12:05:11 UTC, Colin Yates wrote: > > I would ask "what problem would Clojure solve that the current technology > X doesn't"? There are no invalid answers to this, but it is important t

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Colin Yates
I would ask "what problem would Clojure solve that the current technology X doesn't"? There are no invalid answers to this, but it is important to understand *why* you want to move to Clojure. Perfectly valid answers might be: - our domain is best solved with functional programming and we wan

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Marko Topolnik
> 2. What are good examples of complex domains that have been tackled with > Clojure web apps and API layers? > At my company we have built an entire B2B platform that drives the exchange of business documents for my country's largest company. Our first production version was on Clojure 0.9 a

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread Devin Walters
You say "an employer" without saying "our employer." Without a doubt, a *team* must be convinced of Clojure first. Assuming your team is convinced, then my argument is this: You will attract better, smarter people by shifting your company toward Clojure. Avoiding it is comfortable, but ignorin

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread Gert Verhoog
On 8/01/2013, at 12:02 PM, David Jacobs wrote: > 1. Would it be harder to hire if we built our apps with Clojure? More > specifically: Hiring for people who know about or already love Clojure/FP > is certainly a nice filter for talent, but is it too stringent of a filter? Finding really good pe

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM, David Jacobs wrote: > 1. Would it be harder to hire if we built our apps with Clojure? More > specifically: Hiring for people who know about or already love Clojure/FP is > certainly a nice filter for talent, but is it too stringent of a filter? > What percentage of