Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-18 Thread Stuart Sierra
For examples of polymorphism mixing Java and Clojure, try my article on Developer Works: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-clojure-protocols/ -Stuart Sierra clojure.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-17 Thread MS
> If your domain model can be represented by a simple vector / map / > set, then you have a very rich set of tools (in Clojure) to operate on > your domain model. If your domain model is represented by fixed types, > you have to write all sorts of wrapper functions to be able to apply > those oper

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-17 Thread MS
On Feb 15, 4:12 pm, James Reeves wrote: > On 15 February 2011 22:53, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: > > >> So an electrical circuit is a data structure containing vertices and > >> edges and describing how they are connected. Then you'll have some > >> functions that operate on that data s

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-17 Thread MS
On Feb 15, 3:10 pm, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: > > Because I'm not sure how else to use (for example) a graph library and > > still have it look like a circuit, rather than a graph. > > Almost any such graph library is going to be

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/2/16 Sean Corfield > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > > you might also sorta be saying that there are lots of different kinds > > of polymorphism in programming, and that we need to know when to/not > > use any given form of it, which i'd agree with :-) > > We're probabl

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Corfield
There are two very interesting threads over on the Scala mailing lists at the moment that have some bearing on this thread - and I think illustrate the two very different ways of thinking about types and type systems: Benefits of static typing: http://groups.google.com/group/scala-debate/browse_th

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > you might also sorta be saying that there are lots of different kinds > of polymorphism in programming, and that we need to know when to/not > use any given form of it, which i'd agree with :-) We're probably in violent agreement, yeah :) I th

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread James Reeves
On 15 February 2011 22:53, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: >> So an electrical circuit is a data structure containing vertices and >> edges and describing how they are connected. Then you'll have some >> functions that operate on that data structure. > > So... how do I use someone else's imple

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Raoul Duke
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > If polymorphism is the appropriate solution, yes. But for a lot of > people steeped in OO thinking, polymorphism is a bit of a hammer for > every problem that looks like a nail. you might also sorta be saying that there are lots of different

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: > Because I'm not sure how else to use (for example) a graph library and > still have it look like a circuit, rather than a graph. Almost any such graph library is going to be a bunch of functions that operate on a data structur

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > because polymorphism makes code suck less, if done well. If polymorphism is the appropriate solution, yes. But for a lot of people steeped in OO thinking, polymorphism is a bit of a hammer for every problem that looks like a nail. I don't find

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread MS
Cool, thanks for the tips. More inline below: > > > For example, I'm trying to figure out how to do polymorphism in FP. > > Why? Because I'm not sure how else to use (for example) a graph library and still have it look like a circuit, rather than a graph. > > > Specifically, an electrical circu

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread MS
Thanks, I have HTDP on my computer but after the first chapter I got distracted and have been meaning to get to itI'll look for my answers there! :) On Feb 15, 1:13 pm, Raoul Duke wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > > for a functional take: > >http://ac.aua.am/triet

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Raoul Duke
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: >> For example, I'm trying to figure out how to do polymorphism in FP. > Why? because polymorphism makes code suck less, if done well. see "typeclasses" in haskell for an

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: > Maybe my mind has been polluted by OO concepts. I was having this discussion on another list and it seems that the less OO folks know, the easier they find FP... so you may well be right :) > For example, I'm trying to figur

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Raoul Duke
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > for a functional take: > http://ac.aua.am/trietsch/web/Critical%20Path_Holistic%20Approach_final.pdf aw, crap. http://www.htdp.org/ is the link i really wanted to copy-paste. (i think the one i did paste is good reading if you are a proce

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Raoul Duke
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Saul Hazledine wrote: > On Feb 15, 9:04 pm, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: >> Maybe my mind has been polluted by OO concepts. > Maybe a combination of OO and static typing. for a functional take: http://ac.aua.am/trietsch/web/Critical%20Path_Holistic%20Appr

Re: Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread Saul Hazledine
On Feb 15, 9:04 pm, MS <5lvqbw...@sneakemail.com> wrote: > Hi, I just (mostly) finished reading the Programming Clojure book and > while it gave a great overview of the language, I'm still at a loss > for how to design programs. > You'll get better answers later but here is my take on it. > Maybe

Functional program design concepts

2011-02-15 Thread MS
Hi, I just (mostly) finished reading the Programming Clojure book and while it gave a great overview of the language, I'm still at a loss for how to design programs. Maybe my mind has been polluted by OO concepts. For example, I'm trying to figure out how to do polymorphism in FP. Specifically, a