> Lookup (and contrast) words "analysis" and "opinion" in your favorite
> dictionary.
Being a blog I thought that analysis would be from my perspective and
hence an opinion. Dictionaries become muddied in the blog world, and
mea culpa. If nothing else, at least I will make sure that I am
careful :
On 18 Dec 2009, at 06:42, Mike Meyer wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:44:02 -0500
> Luc Préfontaine wrote:
>
>> Mike, I think that the whole issue about Lisp creates a big cloud
>> about
>> Clojure.
>
> Yes, it does. When I mention that, people tend to shudder.
That's the price Clojure pays
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:44:02 -0500
Luc Préfontaine wrote:
> Mike, I think that the whole issue about Lisp creates a big cloud about
> Clojure.
Yes, it does. When I mention that, people tend to shudder.
> If you sum up Clojure as being a Lisp because of what it look likes and
> use only this to
On Dec 17, 10:42 am, Santhosh G R wrote:
> Again the same statement about being humble :-(
The "humble" comment relates to the title of your article.
Lookup (and contrast) words "analysis" and "opinion" in your favorite
dictionary.
Were your post named "My opinion about Clojure" I would not make
Mike, I think that the whole issue about Lisp creates a big cloud about
Clojure.
Choosing a Lisp like syntax for a new language is a good choice because
of the expressiveness,
it requires less code lines, yields a better design, easier to test, ...
That's a choice between a number of options.
If i
I was still using 1.0. This is a good incentive to upgrade :-)
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Sean Devlin wrote:
> It's new in 1.1. Go here:
>
> http://clojure.org/special_forms#toc7
>
> And read the "Since 1.1" section.
>
> On Dec 17, 11:58 pm, Eric Lavigne wrote:
>> > Given that list of la
It's new in 1.1. Go here:
http://clojure.org/special_forms#toc7
And read the "Since 1.1" section.
On Dec 17, 11:58 pm, Eric Lavigne wrote:
> > Given that list of languages, I'd suggest taking a look at Eiffel.
> > ...
> > It's the source of the function pre/post condition facilities that Cloju
> Given that list of languages, I'd suggest taking a look at Eiffel.
> ...
> It's the source of the function pre/post condition facilities that Clojure
> has.
I did not know that Clojure functions supported Eiffel-style pre/post
conditions. Where can I read more about this?
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:26:03 -0800 (PST)
Santhosh G R wrote:
> > You warn that you learn languages "just for the fun of it". I would be
> > curious to know how much time you spent learning Clojure...
>
> I have been working with Scheme for the past 5 years.
I think this is a critical element!
I was about to point out this reference, but realized Rich has already
already given a nice explanation.
Good to know that this newbie (myself) is on the right track!
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Rich Hickey wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2:16 pm, Martin Coxall wrote:
> > On 17 Dec 2009, at 10:04,
Santhosh G R writes:
>> > Clojure is a multi-paradigm language
>> no it's not, and it's most certainty not an OOP
>> language:http://clojure.org/rationale
>
> I hear about this everywhere. Is Clojure not a multi-paradigm language
> because that is the rationale for the language? For me - It supp
On Dec 17, 2:16 pm, Martin Coxall wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2009, at 10:04, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:
>
> > Please keep in mind that it is almost literally the speech that I give
> > to my friends/colleagues when they ask me why am I so excited about
> > Clojure. I did it many times now and I have quickly
On 17 Dec 2009, at 10:04, Dmitry Kakurin wrote:
> Please keep in mind that it is almost literally the speech that I give
> to my friends/colleagues when they ask me why am I so excited about
> Clojure. I did it many times now and I have quickly learned that
> saying "persistent data structures" g
Thanks Dmitry and Richard. In all the replies I found yours to be the
most "humble".
Even though my analysis says otherwise, I am doing the elevator pitch
for Clojure wherever I work. Of course, in an enterprise (where I
work), nobody is going to buy it; but in my own world I use Clojure
more than
> Judging by the article you've spent very little time "learning"
> Clojure and have managed to get every key point wrong:
> > Clojure is a multi-paradigm language
> no it's not, and it's most certainty not an OOP
> language:http://clojure.org/rationale
I hear about this everywhere. Is Clojure no
> You warn that you learn languages "just for the fun of it". I would be
> curious to know how much time you spent learning Clojure...
I have been working with Scheme for the past 5 years. Yep, I don't
have 20+ years in development; neither 12+ months in Clojure. My
learning of Clojure has been fo
That's quite true !
2009/12/17 Dmitry Kakurin
> Please keep in mind that it is almost literally the speech that I give
> to my friends/colleagues when they ask me why am I so excited about
> Clojure. I did it many times now and I have quickly learned that
> saying "persistent data structures" ge
Please keep in mind that it is almost literally the speech that I give
to my friends/colleagues when they ask me why am I so excited about
Clojure. I did it many times now and I have quickly learned that
saying "persistent data structures" gets misinterpreted by every
single person as "something yo
Thanks Richard for the good link.
So to be even more precise, we can say that clojure's data structures are
"fully" persistent since any older version of the datastructure can still
serve as the basis to create new versions.
2009/12/17 Richard Newman
> > I just learned (the hard way, by being h
> I just learned (the hard way, by being humble and asking :-) ) on
> #clojure that one does not say "immutable" collections but
> "persistent" collections, since "persistent" conveys a lot more
> information about what Rich has achieved than just saying "immutable".
Good explanation:
http:
Hello,
2009/12/17 Dmitry Kakurin
> Judging by the article you've spent very little time "learning"
> Clojure and have managed to get every key point wrong:
>
> > Clojure is a multi-paradigm language
>
> no it's not, and it's most certainty not an OOP language:
> http://clojure.org/rationale
>
>
Judging by the article you've spent very little time "learning"
Clojure and have managed to get every key point wrong:
> Clojure is a multi-paradigm language
no it's not, and it's most certainty not an OOP language:
http://clojure.org/rationale
> Functional programming finds its best implementat
I agree with Sean, the STM is a big feature also are parallelism and
data immutability. These features are working now
and they make things a lot simpler.
I agree also that the lack of documentation is a barrier but even with
documentation the learning curve would
not be much shorter again becaus
I think referring to clojure as a multiparadigm languge is incorrect.
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On Dec 11, 2009, at 3:04 PM, kusi wrote:
> http://kusimari.blogspot.com/2009/12/analysing-clojure-programming-language.html
>
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On 12 dec, 17:29, Sean Devlin wrote:
> First, is the STM. This is THE killer feature of the language.
> Ironically, it gives Clojure its identity, and ridiculously clean
> design. Write a concurrent app with it and you'll see.
For me, it's not even the STM that's so compelling about clojure -
i
The linked article is poorly researched and incorrect starting at the
very first sentence. I hope that the author will have time to do a
more in-depth exploration of Clojure and make some modifications.
If you are looking for accurate introductory information on Clojure, I
would recommend:
I'm guessing you're the author.
A very interesting critique. Well written, and you've got guts
posting it to this list.
There are a few very important factors you need to consider to have a
complete critique, though.
First, is the STM. This is THE killer feature of the language.
Ironically, it
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