Thanks Dmitry and Richard. In all the replies I found yours to be the most "humble".
Even though my analysis says otherwise, I am doing the elevator pitch for Clojure wherever I work. Of course, in an enterprise (where I work), nobody is going to buy it; but in my own world I use Clojure more than Python just because I can get back to Scheme! On Dec 17, 5:04 am, Dmitry Kakurin <dmitry.kaku...@gmail.com> wrote: > Please keep in mind that it is almost literally the speech that I give > to my friends/colleagues when they ask me why am I so excited about > Clojure. I did it many times now and I have quickly learned that > saying "persistent data structures" gets misinterpreted by every > single person as "something you can save to file [as XML/binary]", > i.e. serialization. > So the funny thing is: by changing my tune and being imprecise, I > communicate the basic idea much better now :-). > > I do understand and appreciate the difference (and I've watched all > Rich's talks :-) but the term is so overloaded that it usually > misleads "imperative" people. Only later I can introduce and use it by > giving a formal definition first and letting it settle for a while. > And only with people who wants to hear more and cares to learn the > difference :). > > - Dmitry > > On Dec 17, 12:24 am, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Richard for the good link. > > > So to be even more precise, we can say that clojure's data structures are > > "fully" persistent since any older version of the datastructure can still > > serve as the basis to create new versions. > > > 2009/12/17 Richard Newman <holyg...@gmail.com> > > > > > I just learned (the hard way, by being humble and asking :-) ) on > > > > #clojure that one does not say "immutable" collections but > > > > "persistent" collections, since "persistent" conveys a lot more > > > > information about what Rich has achieved than just saying "immutable". > > > > Good explanation: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_data_structure > > > > Contrast to: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immutable_object > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > > your first post. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<clojure%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
