Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Richter
On 30 June 2010 11:15, cageface wrote: > On Jun 29, 6:25 pm, Michael Richter wrote: > > Are you *trying* to evoke the "Smug Lisp Weenie" vibe, cageface, or is > this > > just a natural byproduct of being a burgeoning Smug Clojure Weenie? > > How many time

Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Richter
On 30 June 2010 11:04, cageface wrote: > A language advocate is a salesman. A good salesman knows his product > and his audience. A good salesman also doesn't come across as smugly self-satisfied and projecting a sense of superiority. Maybe you need a job in sales for a while. -- "Perhaps pe

Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Richter
On 30 June 2010 06:33, cageface wrote: > On Jun 29, 12:54 pm, Chas Emerick wrote: > > Indeed, there are many nontrivial personas that actively wish for a > > smaller (or at least not maximally large), more exclusive community. > > Only a fool would actively wish for a smaller community. Some of

Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Richter
On 29 June 2010 02:26, cageface wrote: > Stuart's book is a big help here but I'm afraid that Clojure is simply over > the heads of a lot of "noobs" anyway. > Ah. The Clojure community has already started down the road to Common Lisp-style, smugness-generated obscurity and disdain. Bravo! Wel

Re: The end goal

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Richter
On 25 March 2010 09:20, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Michael Richter > wrote: > > On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter > >> wro

Re: The end goal

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Richter
On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter > wrote: > > > > I don't know the process, but I'm willing to endure the tedium of > packaging > > clojure for Ubuntu (and by extension Debian) if t

Re: The end goal

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Richter
On 23 March 2010 22:43, Joel Martin wrote: > I'll know that this problem is solved when the Setup and Getting > Started sections of the main Getting Started page resemble this: > > - > For debian and Ubuntu users: >apt-get install clojure > > For Fedora and CentOS users: >yum install

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Richter
On 23 March 2010 23:11, Brian Hurt wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, cageface wrote: > >> So perhaps it would be worthwhile to create, like jruby, a single zip/ >> tgz file containing clojure, clojure-contrib, and a reasonable bin/clj >> file that will find at least the core clojure ja

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Richter
On 23 March 2010 00:13, Luc Préfontaine wrote: > I looked at these videos and they are a very good starting point. > Then do we have a communication problem getting these things known ? > Are these videos listed on the "Getting started" page ? > Let's see if I can get this across without profan

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Richter
To add the perspective of a true newbie to this dogpile, I'm going to have to say that the OP was just plain wrong. He made a major mistake -- wanting to compile clojure for himself on a platform that's not exactly friendly to Java development in the first place (Slackware, not Linux in general) -

Re: Simple functional programming lexicon?

2010-03-19 Thread Michael Richter
> > Also the "Learn you a Haskell for Great Good" tutorial is a pretty > nice and light-hearted introduction to FP with Haskell which might > also help you to understand some of the concepts better: > > http://learnyouahaskell.com/ If you don't mind taking a detour into the Haskell world, the bo