On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:04:01 PM UTC-7, Gary Trakhman wrote:
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> At least in my case, this process of mental macro/functioncall expansion,
> or 'abstraction-surfing' as I like to call it, got easier over time. I
> feel like it's been a general skill to hone for programming in general, and
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:51:10 PM UTC-7, Jason Felice wrote:
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> In the original post:
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> > I had been writing elegant but deeply nested Clojure code that was very
> difficult to read ...
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> I focus on expressivity, specifically because of the write-only
> phenomenom. This isn't peculiar
In the original post:
> I had been writing elegant but deeply nested Clojure code that was very
difficult to read ...
I focus on expressivity, specifically because of the write-only phenomenom.
This isn't peculiar to clojure; this happened a lot in the Perl days (so
much so, that that's where I
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On Sunday, 6 April 2014 04:58:51 UTC+10, Henrik Eneroth wrote:
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> If that is your criterion, use something that reloads the browser
> automatically when the js is changed. I use CodeKit personally.
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> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:09:45 PM UTC+2, lypanov wrote:
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It's a sincere no from me, but I can tell you I've met plenty of
non-clojurites/lispers who sneer at lisp it seems solely due to the
parentheses. It seems misguided to me though.
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:14:36 PM UTC-7, Travis Wellman wrote:
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> Francois Rey,
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> Yes I've been following tha
At least in my case, this process of mental macro/functioncall expansion,
or 'abstraction-surfing' as I like to call it, got easier over time. I
feel like it's been a general skill to hone for programming in general, and
lisp emphasizes this more than anything else I've seen, but maybe I just
dran
Without parenthesis you have to resolve ambiguity through other means such
as the off-side rule, additional operators. Clojure makes it easy to write
dense code that is hard to maintain, but some of your trouble might be
resolved by structuring your code differently. One example would be
Prisma
Francois Rey,
Yes I've been following that project. They're going for purity, which means
reimplementing a lot of standard java stuff in Frege. Cool project, but
what I really want is Clojure. Everything Clojure without the parens. So
you'd get lists, and homoiconicity, and all the Clojure libs
If that is your criterion, use something that reloads the browser
automatically when the js is changed. I use CodeKit personally.
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:09:45 PM UTC+2, lypanov wrote:
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> I hate REPLs. I also hate large compile times.
> For me the hardest part of the ~5s compile time is n
On 05/04/14 19:35, Travis Wellman wrote:
To be clear, in this topic I'm not interested in the functional purity
of Haskell, nor it's libraries or type system, but just the syntax.
It's probably not the answer you're looking for but did you check
https://github.com/Frege/frege?
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I can't answer your question from my own experience, but there does seem to
be a way to develop your own language on the JVM:
https://www.eclipse.org/Xtext/index.html
You could create a "DSL" to your precise specifications.
Regards,
Greg
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I always felt that clojure compared to java is about 10x more dense, but
only 3x harder to read and write in lines, and the overhead is dependent on
the level of abstraction, as it should be. Having only the essence removes
noise.
Also, in java, raising the level of abstraction generally creates
The way I think about syntax is:
Given:
* my brain has limited processing power (measured in kilo-hertz ?)
* my brain has very limited L1 cache
Question:
* do I want to store the operator-precedence + left/right
associativity rules of Haskell operators in my brain
* spend brain cycles p
Clojure syntax (I.e. parentheses) enable features in the language- you can't
remove them without sacrificing functionality.
Personally, I feel the uniformity of Clojure syntax makes it easier for me to
reason about code. When I'm working in a language like, say, Ruby, I have to
think ahead abo
I find Haskell syntax completely unreadable. Just saying
On Apr 5, 2014 11:36 AM, "Travis Wellman" wrote:
> When I started learning Haskell after a year or more of Clojure, the
> syntax was refreshing, and I found myself wishing I could write Clojure
> with Haskell syntax.
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> Later I left Cl
If it were my project I would simply not modify mutable values. If they're
modified outside your own code, then model how they change.
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When I started learning Haskell after a year or more of Clojure, the syntax
was refreshing, and I found myself wishing I could write Clojure with
Haskell syntax.
Later I left Clojure behind for plain Java because of code maintenance
issues. I had been writing elegant but deeply nested Clojure c
I don't think there is a general answer to this fundamental impedance
mismatch, but you might want to look at the implementation of
clojure.core/bean:
https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/clj/clojure/core_proxy.clj#L372
That doesn't provide a deep view but it's a start for approaches
I am new at clojure, I have submitted a proposal named "SubSurface Utility
Engineering Program". This program automatically plots the objects in
autocad drawing using lisps which saves lots of time of an organization. I
able to plot objects just with my lisps which is in only in coding manner.
I am very new to Clojure so please forgive me if there is an obvious answer
that I have missed. I'm trying to understand the effect of interop with
Java objects, specifically on the polluting nature of non-values in a
system. If I need to interop with a Java library, and that library will
hav
An interesting paper looking at the languages based on top of the JVM here:
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/%7Ewingli/jvm_language_study/jvmlanguages.pdf
A presentation based on the above paper here:
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wingli/jvm_language_study/JVM_Languages_Presentation.pdf
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Yeah, it's annoying, no doubt. I have a bunch of classes that do nothing
but override a protected method with a public one so I can proxy without
warnings, some that I have to use because I can't create a non-trivial
constructor, and so forth.
Re: your proposal, I think I'd prefer to leave reify e
On Saturday, 5 April 2014 08:08:13 UTC+8, Colin Fleming wrote:
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> FWIW, in Cursive, which is a big ball of mixed Clojure + Java, I've given
> up trying to use gen-class and have started using Java shims for
> everything. I like it a lot more than gen-class, which I always feel like
> I'm fighti
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