Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, Scott Kitterman wrote: BTW, since I'm the primary clamav maintainer in Debian, guess how much action your report is going to get. If that's their sales pitch, what must it be like in the complaints department? [1] -- 73, Ged. [1] No claim is made by this aut

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 19, 2015 02:20:12 PM Simon Hobson wrote: > Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> Given that I wouldn't be bothered at all if SystemD was "just" an init > >> system, it's all the other crap I want to keep out. Do you really think > >> I'm going to allow a SystemD library (who's package descri

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread Virgo Pärna
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:20:12 +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > > NB - It won't start without the library present. Since SystemD is > *supposed* to be optional, I'll raise a bug report. > Ofcause it does not start without taht library. It's linked to it. But since it is not Systemd, that should no

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Scott Kitterman wrote: >> Given that I wouldn't be bothered at all if SystemD was "just" an init >> system, it's all the other crap I want to keep out. Do you really think >> I'm going to allow a SystemD library (who's package description gives >> no clues about it's functions or intentions) onbo

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 19, 2015 3:05:27 AM EDT, Simon Hobson wrote: >Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> Is "harmless" supposed to include "not installable" ? >> >> No. What's not installable? >> >> Install clamav-daemon (with the lib) and don't worry about it. > >Given that I wouldn't be bothered at all if System

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 19, 2015 3:05:27 AM EDT, Simon Hobson wrote: >Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> Is "harmless" supposed to include "not installable" ? >> >> No. What's not installable? >> >> Install clamav-daemon (with the lib) and don't worry about it. > >Given that I wouldn't be bothered at all if System

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Scott Kitterman wrote: >> Is "harmless" supposed to include "not installable" ? > > No. What's not installable? > > Install clamav-daemon (with the lib) and don't worry about it. Given that I wouldn't be bothered at all if SystemD was "just" an init system, it's all the other crap I want to

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-18 Thread Virgo Pärna
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:35:34 +0100 (BST), G.W. Haywood wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Simon Hobson wrote: > >> Also, does anyone know how "important" this dependency is ? > > Not at all, it's just Debian doing what Debian does (i.e. drive me nuts). > No, it just Debian making clamav package t

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 18, 2015 3:53:00 PM EDT, Simon Hobson wrote: >G.W. Haywood wrote: > >> I would >> >> >http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation > >Been there, done that, but what a right PITA it creates - specifically >trying to figure what pac

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-18 Thread Simon Hobson
G.W. Haywood wrote: > I would > > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation Been there, done that, but what a right PITA it creates - specifically trying to figure what package is triggering a chain of dependencies that's trying to p

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 18, 2015 10:52:39 AM EDT, Simon Hobson wrote: >I've been trying to upgrade a Debian Wheezy system to Jessie without >allowing SystemD to sneak in. I've found that the Debian clamav-daemon >package (but none of the others) depends on libsystemd0. > >I just wanted to check whether this is so

Re: [clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-18 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Simon Hobson wrote: I've been trying to upgrade a Debian Wheezy system to Jessie without allowing SystemD to sneak in. I would http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation and then install ClamAV from so

[clamav-users] Clamd and Systemd

2015-06-18 Thread Simon Hobson
I've been trying to upgrade a Debian Wheezy system to Jessie without allowing SystemD to sneak in. I've found that the Debian clamav-daemon package (but none of the others) depends on libsystemd0. I just wanted to check whether this is something that's in the upstream package, or something that