Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Sean M. Pappalardo
On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa I created the cinelerra-cv PPA repository for cases where multiple version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, an

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

2012-11-05 Thread Herman Robak
På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 05:43:49 +0100, skrev Monty Montgomery : The real rub in all of this, and the impetus for getting me thinking to start with, is filter operations using colorspaces with singularities at black (like HSV). When you don't know where black is, any HSV operations are wrong at b

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Basil Chupin
On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa I created the cinelerra-cv PPA repository for cases where multiple version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that created much trou

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

2012-11-05 Thread Monty Montgomery
> ... and presenting 0.0 as black and 1.0 as white internally is > totally out of the question? No. :-) > With your proposed studio swing > mapping most compositing and filtering operations have to scale > and bias to work right. E.g. black + black + black will be a > shade of gray, unless a bi

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Raffaella Traniello
Ciao! On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa I created the cinelerra-cv PPA repository for cases where multiple version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now depreca

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Murray Strome
From: Basil Chupin To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: > >https://launchpad.net/~c

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

2012-11-05 Thread Keith Gudger
I hope this isn't off topic, but for those of us still using SD formats, we need YUV and not RGB. I tried RGBA for a while, but I always got artifacts, so I went back to YUV. No artifacts. Keith On 11/05/2012 05:27 AM, Monty Montgomery wrote: ... and presenting 0.0 as black and 1.0 as white

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

2012-11-05 Thread Herman Robak
På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:54:15 +0100, skrev Keith Gudger : I hope this isn't off topic, but for those of us still using SD formats, we need YUV and not RGB. I tried RGBA for a while, but I always got artifacts, so I went back to YUV. No artifacts. RGB8, I presume? The artifacts may be due

RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Nicola Ferralis
BC Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for Ubuntu, in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The current binaries are based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep saying that CV is not compiled from source for CV. I have

RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Nicola Ferralis
Furthermore, as suggested, if one prefers, compiling cinelerra (either version, really) it's simple enough. From: feran...@hotmail.com To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no Subject: RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:03:13 -0800 BC Once again, the current cinelerra PPA i

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

2012-11-05 Thread Herman Robak
På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:27:02 +0100, skrev Monty Montgomery : How much is a lot? One conversion entering the pipeline, and another exiting the pipeline? Any color filters that expect to operate on R'G'B' rather than RGB. I think in most cases, these operations only work on R'G'B' to avoid t

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

2012-11-05 Thread Monty Montgomery
> I suppose linear light is the "native" space of many (most?) common > operations. Blurring and resampling/scaling will get funny shifts > in brightness if they operate on non-linear samples, for example. Yes, full agreement. But given that many [most] tools don't operate in linear space, users

RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Nicola Ferralis
Due to the confusion over the two repositories, I am updating the cinelerra-cv ppa with the latest builds (currently building, available in a few hours): A: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/cinelerra-cv The only difference (to the user) between these builds and those in the main PPA

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Sean M. Pappalardo
On 11/05/2012 02:02 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it considers to be relevant to it aims. Okay, so we needn't worry about the different version numbers then? So Cin

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Herman Robak
På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:02:17 +0100, skrev Basil Chupin : The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it considers to be relevant to it aims. Nope.  CinHV used to be "upstream", which CinCV _fo

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Raffaella Traniello
Ciao! > And CinCV broke off with upstream after CinHV 4.0, because merging became hard. Since then CinCV must have fallen behind quite considerably, I don't think so. They diverged. CV has some feature that are not in HV and HV has some features that are not on CV. A clear distinction on the

[CinCV] Attempting Build on Ubuntu 12.04 with external ffmpeg

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Judge
If anyone can assist me with this error (2) trying to build cinelerra usiong external ffmpeg see error below and thanks :0:0:0 2 -MT qtffmpeg.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/qtffmpeg.Tpo -c qtffmpeg.c -o .libs/qtffmpeg.o qtffmpeg.c: In function 'quicktime_new_ffmpeg': qtffmpeg.c:71:3: warning: 'avcodec

[CinCV] Cinelerra Build for Ubuntu 12.10

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Judge
I also tried to do a build without usiong the external ffmpeg and that make went thruough without errors but the make install had the following errors so now I have no cinelerra on my ubuntu 12.10 at all :( libtool: relink: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC .libs/atom.o .libs/avcc.o .libs/avi_hdrl.o .li

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Basil Chupin
On 06/11/12 03:03, Nicola Ferralis wrote: BC Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for Ubuntu, in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The current binaries are based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep saying that CV

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Basil Chupin
On 06/11/12 02:21, Murray Strome wrote: *From:* Basil Chupin *To:* cinelerra@skolelinux.no *Sent:* Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalard

RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

2012-11-05 Thread Nicola Ferralis
Basil, If you refer to packages in in the official Ubuntu repositories, well you won't find any. That is why I made the PPA in first place. Regarding cinelerra.org, I don't really know what is in the official website other than links to various sources. All I know is that the PPA offers builds