Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] SPEC file for Linux CentOS 7

2018-06-20 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
I know next to nothing about rpm based packaging, perhaps you should submit a pull request with your changes so we could see an official rpm in the centos is repos and collaborate with one another. I am the main guy spearheading development on the Debian package, but I would really like to see o

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> On Jun 20, 2018, at 20:28, Jon Trulson wrote: > [...] >> Would switching to autotools also solve the rpath problem? > > Possibly, as I understand libtool changed it's behavior WRT to rpath. > > In CDE for linux, rpath is added via ExtraLoadFlags in > config/cf/lnxLib.rules. You could prob

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
I will state what my personal goals are for the project if it gives perspective: Building a Debian package (1st priority!) Cutting out cruft (OS support for OSs that have no chance of ever being revived, and have no active maintainers, honestly if we could've found active maintainers for the OSs

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Marcin Cieslak writes: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Jon Trulson wrote: > >> On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: >> >> The next release will be 2.3, because things. >> >> Autotools will take a while, before it's functional. There are many steps to >> building CDE, it will not be a trivial task to re

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
> As for dtudc*, why? Who needs it? > If you really want it, there is no reason it could not just be > maintained outside of CDE as a separate project -- just requiring a > X11/Motif/CDE dev environment to build. Is there some strong reason we need to kill it? I understand why there might not be

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Marcin Cieslak
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Jon Trulson wrote: > On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: > > The next release will be 2.3, because things. > > Autotools will take a while, before it's functional. There are many steps to > building CDE, it will not be a trivial task to replicate in autotools. There are s

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: I say that if we are going to push out one last release before the transition, make it 2.2.5, and then the autotools release can be 2.3. Can we also reenable the font editor and try to debug it after 2.2.5? If it's only problem is renamed x11 headers and co

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
I say that if we are going to push out one last release before the transition, make it 2.2.5, and then the autotools release can be 2.3. Can we also reenable the font editor and try to debug it after 2.2.5? If it's only problem is renamed x11 headers and compiler warnings, that is a relatively e

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/20/2018 04:03 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: Jon Trulson writes: Imake is dead, and I see no point in trying to "take over" and improve it. Autotools (as others have also mentioned in this thread) is the way to go moving forward. We might be able to leverage some of the work X11 did ther

[cdesktopenv-devel] ToolTlak on non-existant hostnames

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
I've just pushed a fix for libtt that should hopefully solve a long standing problem with machines having a hostname that does not have an IP address associated with it. When TT runs across this, it just fails. Now when this happens, a default of "localhost" will be used. I have tested this o

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Imake is dead, and I see no point in trying to "take over" and improve > it. Autotools (as others have also mentioned in this thread) is the > way to go moving forward. We might be able to leverage some of the > work X11 did there as well. Well, my expectation was that we

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > I used the first patch. The second one failed for fbsd/clang (static > definition should only be in class definition, not function > definition). Gcc didn't complain. At anyrate, applied to master. Oh... Yeah, SunPro warned me about that being an anachronism. I didn't wa

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Minor corrections and cleanup to sun.cf

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
Applied to master, thanks! -jon On 06/19/2018 03:08 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: This patch makes minor corrections and cleanup to sun.cf As part of this is reverting some text (Solaris 5.x to Solaris 2.x), some explanation of Solaris versioning is probably in order Kernel OS

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/19/2018 02:56 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: DtMail attempts to detect whether the non-standard strcasestr() is available, and defines it if it is not. Unfortunately, the detection code is imperfect. Fortunately, we can make it a class method to avoid collision even if it does exist. I off

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/19/2018 09:33 PM, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel wrote: Hi all, Matthew T. and I have had a conversation about imake and whether or not it would be a good idea to merge with master or not. After doing a bit of discussion, I sent a message to alan coopersmith to see if anyone at the imake te

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Christopher Turkel
I think autotools is a good choice, imake iscranky. On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 4:52 AM Matthew R. Trower wrote: > ‎I don't think imake is so bad, but it does have its limitations. If the > consensus is that we should move to autotools (the only reasonable > alternative that I'm aware of)‎, I wo

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎I don't think imake is so bad, but it does have its limitations. If the consensus is that we should move to autotools (the only reasonable alternative that I'm aware of)‎, I would be willing to take a stab at the

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread José Carlos Carrión Plaza
Hi all. IMHO GNU autotools is the right way. Xorg moved from old "imake-make World" to GNU autotools and modular packing. Motif moved in a similar way. I think the third traditional actor of the old robust desktop, CDE, must follow the same way. If I may help you in any way, please let me kn