Re: Tape Imaging

Joining the list of "my format" posts ... Mine also records retry information (because MPE on the HP 3000 optionally reports if a retry was done to get a successful tape read), and setmarks (which differ from EOFs), as well as error information. (That retry information is important ... it could in

Re: What is the most amount of money you've spent on a computer or computer-related item?

Interesting question ... brings back good and bad memories :) Probably $5,800 for an HP 3000 Corporate Business System (a 12-processor HP 3000/997). it was a million dollar machine when new. I bought it for $300, paid about $500 for delivery, and $5000 to get the three-phase power installed for

Looking to read past EOT on DDS/DLT/LTO

Hi, We have a friend with a "tape" (DDS, DLT, or LTO ... don't know which yet) to which was written a system backup. Thousands of files, with an EOF between each file, and a double EOF + EOT at the end. The problem: They then accidentally overwrote the start of the tape yesterday with about 1 KB

Re: Looking to read past EOT on DDS/DLT/LTO

Hi, Maciej mentioned "winding a tape past a medium error and read...". I have several times successfully skipped past media errors on DDS-1 drives by doing a FSF (Forward Skip File ... tells drive to skip to the next EOF). (Although, IIRC, once I encountered a read error, I couldn't do that ...

Re: Looking to read past EOT on DDS/DLT/LTO

Re: > From: Chuck Guzis > I believe that ANSI refers to them as "partitions", IIRC, defined by a > special page in the MODE_SELECT command. Each partition has its own EOD. > > Using the MODE_SENSE code page 11h will turn up information as to a tape > bing multi-partitioned. As it happens, they (

FS: HP 3000s (928LX) for sale in Texas

Since they're vintage... A friend is selling two HP 3000/928LX computers. I don't know what he wants for them. For people interested in the HP 3000, this would be a nice buy. Size-wise, they're between a PC and a 2-drawer file cabinet in size. They'll be network capable (may require a transceiv

Chuck Shimada passed away

Long-time HP3000 programmer/user/evangelist, and friend, Chuck Shimada passed away yesterday, 12/26. Many list members will have seen Chuck at Interex and SCRUG conventions, running the tech side, or as part of the convention staff. He was a major force in the creation of the early "swap tapes"

OT: looking for help remembering name/info about security bug

Hi, I'm trying to remember the name (and some information about) a past security bug, for an article. Somewhere between 4 and 6 years ago (I think), there was a fairly major security bug reported (probably in Linux, or in SSH code, but something widely used). IIRC, the bug was a single line that

Re: OT: looking for help remembering name/info about security bug

Re: > The Debian 4 OpenSSL disaster comes to mind, where IIRC a know-it-all > package manager beautified the source and reduced the effective length > of any generated keys to 32 bit. But that was more like 15 yrs ago... > That sound like something I should read about, thanks ... but it isn't it.

Re: OT: looking for help remembering name/info about security bug

I've received a couple of suggestions, thanks, but none seem right. BTW, I'm sorry (Liam) that I didn't make it clearer that it was absolutely a software bug, which excludes Spectre, Rowhammer, Meltdown. Aside: the Meltdown and/or Spectre patch to macOS hurt performance ... the elapsed time to co

Re: OT: looking for help remembering name/info about security bug

Re: On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:02 PM Jonathan Katz wrote: > > Heartbleed? > Checked the source code for that just now ... nope, sorry. I recall the problem being completely different from buffer overflow (e.g., by a unchecked memcpy ()), and more akin to either the programmer misinterpreting wh

mystery S-100 available

Hi, I have a mystery S-100 computer that I'm would like to sell, from the estate of the late Ken Gielow (author of Z80DIS, a great Z80 disassembler). The proceeds will be donated to a non-tax-deductible magic group Ken was a long-time member of. The computer is located in Cupertino, CA (aka "the

Canon AI Note IN-3000 and IN-5000 question

Hi, Does anyone know when the Canon AI Note IN-5000 was released? The nearly identical Canon AI Note IN-3000 came out in 1989, and I wonder (without proof) if it (3000) might have a been a slightly later, cost-reduced version of the 5000. Google searching came up empty for the IN-5000, and all

[cctalk] HP 150 software

Hi, I found a bunch of original HP 150 software on 3.5" floppies ... any HP 150 collectors here?Free, pickup, Cupertino. Includes the following. About 1/2 are original disks. The most unusual are probably the compilers from Prospero, and the IMAGE-like database (Mirage?) from Datasoft Inter

[cctalk] Symbolics (Lisp) manuals, flyers available

Hi, I have 15 manuals, flyers, and miscellaneous papers from/about the Symbolics, Inc computer(s), database, and more. Pictures at http://www.sieler.com/symbolics If anyone's interested, please email me (sie...@gmail.com) List: Concordia__Object-Oriented_Document_Management___Symbolic_Inc__co

[cctalk] Re: Symbolics (Lisp) manuals, flyers available

Hi, The manuals are claimed, probably, sort of ... it's complicated. The TL;DR is that someone may want to scan some for CHM, and someone else definitely has asked for the originals. So, it's being unraveled now. thanks! Stan

[cctalk] list problem with digestmode

is a factor, I could try to get allegro/allegrosupport unsubscribed and use a third account :) thanks! Stan Sieler sie...@allegro.com sie...@allegrosupport.com sie...@gmail.com

[cctalk] digest problem, starting with #115

Hi, Has anyone else noticed that the list server is screwing up digest emails, starting with Volume #115? Prior to #115, each message would start with: -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:49:31 + (WET) From: ... Subje

[cctalk] Re: digest problem, starting with #115

Hi Dennis, The change to "Plain Text Digests" worked, thanks! Stan

[cctalk] Quoting/replying etiquette. (was: Re: I need to make some space.)

Hi, PLEASE TRIM THE DARN POST BEFORE REPLYING! For example, Bill's interesting post about needing space was 75 lines long (#1)... The first reply included the ENTIRE MESSAGE. The second, from another very long time participant, was TWO !@#$%^& LINES OF NEW CONTENT, with *TWO COPIES OF THE ORIGI

[cctalk] HPE StorageWorks DAT 40 USB Tape Drive questions

Hi, Has anyone used an HPE StorageWorks DAT 40 USB Tape Drive on a Mac / PC / Linux as a "standard" tape drive (i.e., I want to be able to "dd" from one, not use some HP provided backup package). (I have no interest in writing to tapes, BTW) I just got such a drive today (#1), and hope to use it

Re: RIP: Daniel Bobrow

n hadn't gotten the joke :) Danny was funny, quick witted, friendly ... RIP. Oh, UCSD LISP? About a week before we released it, DEC (or BBN?) had a breakthrough and increased the addressability of their virtual memory, obviating the need for our version :( Stan Sieler > >

origin of 3D-printing?

tps://archive.org/details/galaxymagazine-1951-12 (magazine page 74, PDF page 76) I was wondering if any earlier references to the idea existed. thanks, Stan Sieler

tape seals?

Hi, I think someone was looking for tape seals for 9 track tapes, a few weeks ago. If they can contact me offline, I have about 20 of varying sizes for shipping cost or local pickup. Stan sie...@allegro.com

Re: IBM Series/1

> > > The hardware is excellent. They have fairly fast processors, and the > > I/O capacity is great. Reliability is typical IBM. > > > > The OS sucks balls. All the balls. > > > > Commercially, they were not a success, despite being IBM's first > > "open" system, in that they invited third party d

HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville

Hi, A friend tells me that there is a Hewlett-Packard HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville (no word as to price, but I suspect it's free ... the owner wants it to go to a good home). Reportedly running, with additional "mini-tower" (PC size or less) of external disks, a DTC (Distributed Terminal C

Re: HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville

Lee writes: > This is a *very* nice entry-level HP3000/MPE system based on PA-RISC > architecture. But one note - the 917 had the soldered TOD battery on the > motherboard, vs. the FRU TOD battery in the later 918. Not a reason to skip > if you are interested in this machine. True, there's been

Re: HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville

I've had two people contact me saying they're interested. When the first one came in, I put him in contact with the guy who knows the Vacaville HP3000 owner. I let the second person know they were next on the list (had the second come in before I attended to the first, I'd have sent both names ov

Re: HP3000/917LX available in Vacaville

egory.) Stan On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:48 AM David Collins wrote: > “3000-L” ? Is that another group? > > > > > On 29 Sep 2019, at 9:27 am, Stan Sieler via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Lee writes: > > > >> This is a

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

T. (I think we were something like the 25th computer.) Stan Sieler

Re: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes

Re: > Subject: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes > ... > Palo Alto Fry?s closing < > https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-locations-Frys-Electronics-closed-14939907.php> > . > Wow, how important little words are! The URL for the SFGate article is misleadingly

Re: history is hard

Fred writes: ..."MS-DOS 3.3 did not even come with a disk cache." and discusses problems with SMARTDRV (in MS DOS 4.01 and later). I'm not sure if it was technically a form of caching, but the AmigaDOS delayed floppy write (well before MS-DOS cache) caused enormous problems for Amiga users. (I

Re: History is hard

I accidentally attributed text from Liam as being from Fred C, ""MS-DOS 3.3 did not even come with a disk cache." Sorry Fred! Stan

Origin of 3-D printing (again)

Hi, Back in 2017, I posted something about seeing a possible first-ever reference to the idea of 3-D printing in a 1951 issue of Galaxy Science Fiction magazine. I stumbled over an even earlier one tonight... The September, 1941, issue of Astounding Science Fiction magazine has a story called "E

On: raising the semantic level of a program

Hi, Not hardware ... but an antique software / programming concept. Some decades ago (circa late 1970s?), I *think* I came across a concept of "raising the semantic level" of a program by using defines/macros and newly written library functions. The concept was that a given language provided a p

Re: On: raising the semantic level of a program

A friend kindly searched and found an interesting paper from 1973, Programming by semantic refinement JB Morris - ACM SIGPLAN Notices, 1973 - dl.acm.org. https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/390014.808298 While an interesting paper, it's going the

Re: On: raising the semantic level of a program

Hi Dwight, Yes...I agree, sounds like how FORTH works. BTW, I co-implemented a FORTH for the IBM PC, back when the first IBM PC was released. (Next Generation Systems FORTH ... 25% faster than the prior speed leader, Laboratory Microsystems FORTH, and it had a lot of nice concepts, like a true/ac

Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)

i> From: Alan Perry > Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get > https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express > ? thanks! As an old MCP user/developer (although outside the lab), that's really interesting to me!

Re: Burroughs L-series paper tapes

> > Mike Stein writes: > > I remember there was another L9000 rescued in California years ago, > but maybe that's the one you have now. > My consulting company was in Redwood City, CA. Our nextdoor neighbor had a company leasing new cars. They ran the company on a Burroughs L9000. About Augus

Re: Burroughs L-series paper tapes

Re: If you scroll down to the L9000 there are pictures of the rescue I was thinking of, which may well be the system you're talking about and even the lady in question: > > http://www.picklesnet.com/burroughs/gallery/bpgltc.htm Yes!, thanks! On http://www.picklesnet.com/burroughs/images/fullsi

HP-UX 7.0 Technical Data flyer

I found/scanned/OCR'd the "Technical data" flyer for HP-UX 7.0 (from 1989). It's at: http://www.sieler.com/hp/other/hp_ux_7_0.html Shortly after this, HP quietly dropped the "real time" portion of HP-UX, and in later years no one at HP seemed to know it had ever been there. Stan

HP Terminal Data from 1987

I scanned flyers for the HP terminal line (700/22, 700/41, 700/71, 700/92, and 700/94), and a price list from 1987. Info at http://sieler.com/hp/other/hp_terminals.html Stan

Burroughs 1975 Annual Report

Hi, Anyone want a Burroughs 1975 Annual Report? (Free mailing to U.S. address, otherwise PayPal the cost of mailing.) Nice condition. 44 pages. thanks, Stan

RE: Burroughs 1975 Annual Report

Ed asks: Sure,Stan can add to our Burroughs? collection Ed! Ok, it's yours. Email me your snail mail address please (sie...@allegro.com ). And, I'll scan it first, per some offline requests (I knew I should have already done that :) Stan

APL\3000 microcode. Was: Re: Notes on HP3000 WCS Microcode, Series 37 on ebay in Germany

Warner asks: "Why was microcode support required to make APL work? What did it enable that couldn't be done in other ways?" [On an HP 3000 Series III, for example] Back in the mid-1970s, on the HP 3000 Series III, the team implementing APL\3000 apparently decided they would need to implement some

Re: Notes on HP3000 WCS Microcode, Series 37 on ebay in Germany

Re: On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 11:29 AM Lee Courtney wrote: > I believe it was a performance issue. The APL was so slow without the > microcode assist that the system was unusable. > Close. Without the microcode, they had no apparent way of even halfway efficiently implementing a large virtual me

VAX/VMS & IBM 360 manuals from mid 1980s

Hi, A friend, probably in Ohio, tells me his father has 3 boxes (about 150 pounds) of manuals for VAX/VMS and IBM 360 from the mid 1980s. If anyone's interested in following up, email me and I'll send you the contact info. thanks, and Happy New Year! Stan Sieler

HP 7980 tape drives

Hi, Anyone interested in three HP 7980 tape drives (9-track, 1600/6250 BPI, IIRC). One HP-IB interface, two SCSI interfaces. Rack mountable. Most likely local pickup only, in Redwood City. thanks, Stan

HP 260

Hi, I have an HP 260 that I'd like to find a new home for. I'm currently thinking of taking it to the ham radio / antique-computer swapmeet (ASVARO, held at Fry's Sunnyvale, CA, tomorrow morning). Thought I'd mention it here in case someone was interested in it. For those unfamiliar with it, it's

Free: IBM Travelstar 8E External Hard Drive

Free (pickup in Cupertino, or pay for packing/shipping via PayPal). IBM Travelstar 8E External Hard Drive. New in box. Includes the PCMCIA card and cable. Model: DTZN-0810SP Capacity: 8,100 MByte Note: as sold new by IBM, including the instruction sheet which says: power is provided by the PC Ca

Free: flash cards / SRAM cards (PC Card, PCMCIA cards)

Free for pickup in Cupertino (or, pay for packing/shipping via PayPal): Some PC Card memory/flash-drive cards... not tested (Oddly, my 2016 Mac Pro Laptop has no PC Card slot! :) (no, really, I don't recall getting a chance to test them when I bought them over the last 10+ years, either, sorry!)

Free: IDE Flashdrive 3.5"

Hi, Still cleaning my storage/office ... I have a new-looking 3.5" solid state drive for free, pickup in Cupertino (or pay for packing/shipping via PayPal). SanDisk 3.5" Flashdrive 20 MB (IDE) model: SB35B-20 (possibly unused; in anti-static bag, seal unbroken) thanks, Stan

Re: Free: flash cards / SRAM cards (PC Card, PCMCIA cards)

These have been claimed, and two people are in line behind the first person. thanks. Stan

Dr. Ken Bowles passed away

Hi, I missed hearing about this, but Dr. Ken Bowles (father of UCSD Pascal) passed away Aug 15 of this year. http://jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/news/news_releases/release.sfe?id=2621 The story misses his important work on mainframes, including getting vector mode processing added to the Burroughs B650

Re: Vintage Computer Federation Swap Meet 11/7/2020

Hi, Please remember ... TRIM YOUR DARN POSTS! No one needs to see a hundred+ lines of quoted post just to see a one line reply, no matter what kind of sandwich it was! (And, the guy getting the sandwich had the better deal, IMHO :) thanks, Stan (the other grumpy guy?) Sieler

Re: Vintage Computer Federation Swap Meet 11/7/2020

I like it! thanks! On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:39 AM Bill Degnan wrote: > > (And, the guy getting the sandwich had the better deal, IMHO >> > > It's hard with mobile gmail to trim, but regardless I agree! > > Bill "meatball sandwitch" Degnan > > P.S. As a funny I asked for a meatball sandwitch in

when was memory "above" the terminal screen invented?

Hi, First, apologies if I asked this years ago (I've searched my archives, no hits :) When was the concept of memory "above" the screen invented for terminals? I.e., previously displayed data that had scrolled up and off the screen ... but could be retrieved (usually by scrolling down). (Someti

Re: tty and video displays

Paul writes: > General overstrike requires a bitmap display, or some sort of persistent display. Although he carefully specified 'general overstrike', I'll still mention how the HP 2641A (an APL terminal) did it. When about to enter a newly received character into memory, the terminal checked

found it: first speech synthesizer (at least, for S-100 systems)

Hi, Some years back, I was asking if anyone had information about the speech synthesizer developed for the Altair 8080 by Wirt Atmar of AICS (in New Mexico). No "hits". Most places on the web claimed the Computalker was first, given the date as 1976 or 1977. (Earlier speech synthesizes existed,

Re: found it: first speech synthesizer (at least, for S-100 systems)

Hi, I'd like to apologize for referring to the OCR of the Byte article as a "fairly bad OCR". I was thinking of the garbled sections that may be the result of trying to OCR graphics. The vast majority of the text comes across clearly, and I don't want to insult whoever volunteered their time to do

NOT "Re: APL\360"

TL;DR: getting tired of separating the wheat from the chaff I have an odd but potentially useful idea for the list server ... Until we have an AI that can properly read a message and re-write the subject line, perhaps the list server would *auto generate* a new subject line after, say, the 29th

Re: Funky electronics chain Fry?s is no more (Seattle Times)

Gavin Scott wrote: > We all had a love/hate relationship with Fry's, but they were an > institution and will be missed. Sometime after his story, Gavin moved to the Bay Area to work for my company. One day, I started to buy something at Fry's and they asked for my phone number. So, I gave th

name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

Hi, Does anyone remember the product name or number of the tiny HP portable printer (*not* an HP 2225 of any kind!) that probably came out about the same time as the HP Omnibook 300 (1993)? (My google-fu failed me.) IIRC, it was able to print on regular paper 8.5" wide, probably using a thinkjet

Re: name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

Bingo, David nailed it! (The HP DeskJet Portable) Thanks! Stan On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:31 PM wrote: > How about this... > > http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=311 > > David Collins > www.hpmuseum.net > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk O

Re: name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

Fred tempts me from the garden: "does that mean you want one?" It's only one ... it's easy ... try it Argh...I was hoping I wouldn't be asked that, because I couldn't decide. ... ... ok... I think I'd be interested in having one that would work with an Omnibook (but have no interest in the

Re: name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

Hi, I think I've finally decided: yes. :) It looks like Fred C. might have one, so I will wait to hear from him. thanks! Stan On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:29 PM Mike Stein wrote: > Yup, cute little printer; want one? > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:55 PM Stan Sieler via cct

the question

Hi, I just wanted to thank Tony for asking the question (disability vs. masks) and particularly wanted to thank Robert for the kindness of answering it! I learned something today! Stan

Re: PDP-11 SPACEWAR running again!

1, "Sieler" (me) wrote it for the Digital Scientific Meta 4 (an IBM 1130 super clone) in 1971. I suspect he gets his name mispronounced as much as I do :) Stan Sieler (long "e")

On compiling. (Was a way off topic subject)

Paul K got it right: "Any language can be interpreted or compiled. For some languages, like LISP and TECO, interpreting is a rather natural implementation techniques, while for others (C, ALGOL) compilation is the obvious answer. But either is possible." A few quick notes... Back around 1973, I

Re: Call for manuals and maybe floppies: IBM 8100

Re: "My next project once I finish my IBM 1410 FPGA implementation (so, a couple of years out, probably) would be to write an emulator for the boat anchor known as the IBM 8100. I had exposure to these things back in the 1980s." I encountered one, once. Probably 1979, in a small conference room

Ken Gielow passed away

Last week, Ken Gielow passed away. He was the author of the Z80DIS disassembler, which was both interactive and used a form of "artificial intelligence" to cleverly disassemble Z80 code.

Getting files from HP 3000 tapes (was: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN)

Ed writes: ?If? we? ever? ?get? a? way? to? read? tapes? ? for? the? 2000 and? 3000? Well, we can "read" tapes for the HP 3000, and restore the files from HP 3000 backup tapes ... via Allegro Consultant's "ROSETTA STORE" product (of which I'm the primary author). I'm happy to restore some file

Datapoint 2200 on ebay

Noticed a Datapoint 2200 on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/275043446827 They're asking $48,000 I want one...but not for that price! :)