Re: Station wagon full of tapes vs cigarette pack (was Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep)

2016-06-03 Thread Fred Cisin
How many station wagons full of 9-track tapes would fit into a (20) cigarette box filled with microSD cards? On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: Station wagon full of tapes = 51 GB Pack of stogies full of SD = 2816 GB It's not fair using 9-track tapes, but let's go with it. Let's consider

Re: Station wagon full of tapes vs cigarette pack (was Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep)

2016-06-03 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: Station Wagon full of tapes = 302.64 GB Cigarette pack full of microSD = 880 GB * Corrected volume calcs (least I think I did) * Switched to 2400 ft tapes with 3M cases (thanks Chuck) * Switched to MicroSD (but no SDHC) so.. 2G only Now for the cigarett

Re: Station wagon full of tapes vs cigarette pack (was Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep)

2016-06-03 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Adrian Stoness wrote: u reliuze theres 64gb and 128gb sd cards now right? Micro-SD (and SD), as was specified originally, is up to 2GB. (FAT12 and FAT16) OFFICIALLY: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/capacity/ Above 2GB, up to 32GB, you have Micro-SDHC (and SDHC)

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-06 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Liam Proven wrote: And there was never a 720kB IBM standard, only on things like Apricots. Could you explain? 720K was just as much of an IBM "standard" as 360K. Starting with PC-DOS 3.20, ("/F:2"). Sure, other companies used the same media for different formats, but now

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-06 Thread Fred Cisin
And there was never a 720kB IBM standard, only on things like Apricots. Could you explain? 720K was just as much of an IBM "standard" as 360K. Starting with PC-DOS 3.20, ("/F:2"). Sure, other companies used the same media for different formats, but nowhere near as much as 5.25". "Convertible",

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-06 Thread Fred Cisin
On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Liam Proven wrote: But AFAIK IBM never shipped machines with DS/DD/80t track drives as standard, did it? On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, r.stricklin wrote: Of course they did. PS/2 8530. Oops. And the 5140 "Convertible". and, if we interpret his original query as referring to

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-08 Thread Fred Cisin
But AFAIK IBM never shipped machines with DS/DD/80t track drives as standard, did it? Of course they did. PS/2 8530. Oops. And the 5140 "Convertible". Interesting. I did not know that! Those were machines with 3.5" 720K as the only internal drives. Possibility of other kinds of drives externa

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-10 Thread Fred Cisin
[720K] Easy enough to have missed their short-term domination of the market if you happened to have been on holiday. On Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Liam Proven wrote: By the time I started work and so started using PCs, DOS 3.3 was current and PS/2s were proliferating. I apologise for my ignorance. Wh

Re: CDC 6600 - Why so awesome?

2016-06-22 Thread Fred Cisin
Which was the first machine to have an optical card reader (V brass roller)? For card based data processing, such as what my father did for Office Of Civil Rights, that speed improvement made a big difference.

RE: old friend is slimming down the warehouse

2016-06-24 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: It's amazing how much stuff UPS had managed to destroy "for" me, also. It's like them drop the boxes off a crane or something. There is talk about "drone parcel delivery". Do UPS and USPS drop their packages from drones or planes? Or are they doing thei

Re: Current source for RX50 media?

2016-06-24 Thread Fred Cisin
2) It's been too long so I don't remember, but don't you use normal pc floppies (5.25) and PUTR can format them? On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Ethan Dicks wrote: Yes, but you need the right type of PC floppy because RX50 are single-sided and 80 tpi and 10 sectors-per-track (400K on one side). I'm sure th

Re: Current source for RX50 media?

2016-06-25 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016, Warner Losh wrote: I was looking at the wrong row in my tables. The RX-50 uses the 300K transfer rate, while the 1.2MB IBM-AT floppy uses 500k. The rotation rate is different, but I'm having trouble locating that. Sorry for the possibly bad info. I added support for RX-50 to

Re: old friend is slimming down the warehouse

2016-06-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Liam Proven wrote: Sounds to me -- as a foreigner, mind -- that there's the basis for a small business here: continental-North-America guaranteed custom fragile item delivery. . . . and your ads should have a picture of a trebuchet with a red circle around it and diagonal

Re: Tandy TRS0-Model 2000 Computer Monitor required

2016-06-29 Thread Fred Cisin
Tandy 2000 is an MS-DOS machine, but NOT PC-DOS. (720K 5.25", etc.) On Wed, 29 Jun 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: Doesn't look like the same type of system, but just for grins, I saw this TRS-80 Model 4 on my local Craigslist: http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5659348181.html TRS-80 Model 4 is repl

Re: what's vintage? was Re: Latest addition: A bondi-blue iMac

2016-07-01 Thread Fred Cisin
Computers don't (yet) have voting rights. :-) The hell they don't! Remember when Hanging Chad htrew the deciding vote?

Re: Latest addition: A bondi-blue iMac

2016-07-01 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: This is why it's just easier to use a single criteria -- age -- and leave it at that. Why is age acceptable everywhere else in collecting, but not here? Otherwise, someone (the list owner?) has to pontificate over a list of acceptable computers. Go

Re: Latest addition: A bondi-blue iMac

2016-07-01 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: Wouldn't have guessed to discuss an iMac here, but rather than picking & choosing certain computer models as being appropriate to discuss here or not, wouldn't it just be easier (and fairer) to define a certain number of years past which it *is* appro

Re: Latest addition: A bondi-blue iMac

2016-07-01 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: I fully get the distinction between -- for instance -- a classic Ford Mustang and a classic Ford Pinto. Everyone agrees, the Mustangs are classic, but there *are* people who are into Pintos. I knew a family that was into them 30 years ago. . . . and

RE: Running CRTs without implosion protection glass

2016-07-01 Thread Fred Cisin
Not a very good comparison because one is pointed at your head for months or years and the latter is momentary. On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, tony duell wrote: I am not convinced that the effect is purely cumulative anyway. In other words, a lower intensity (and lower energy) beam for longer might not do a

Re: Disc Imaging / Kryoflux - Acorn ADFS 800KB

2016-07-01 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, Austin Pass wrote: I'm trying to preserve my Acorn ADFS 3.5" discs. To this end, I've purchased a KryoFlux "Pro" board and a new-old-stock ALPS floppy drive. I've hooked it all up to a Windows 8.1 VM and everything *seems* to be working. However, the .adl images I create are

Re: Actually we want this Packard Bell http://www.smecc.org/itemsklkljl; _3.jpg

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, David Griffith wrote: It seems that museums have traditionaly sought the best artifacts. I feel they should also exhibit crap from time to time to remind visitors of history's wrong turns. It took a little while before Edsels became collectible. Yugo

Re: The infinitely profitable program

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Eric Christopherson wrote: Genius. Clever? yes. Genius? no, or you would have to count too many of us. But I would have thought CP/M would at least require a .com file to have a header. http://peetm.com/blog/?p=55 NO. A .COM file is a pure image of memory, starting at lo

Re: The infinitely profitable program

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Of course, this only works when the program doesn't clobber its own initialization code (to reclaim memory), which a lot of programs did in those memory-limited days. OR, as part of the program's initialization code (starting at 100h) it clears the areas of

Re: Disc Imaging / Kryoflux - Acorn ADFS 800KB

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Austin Pass wrote: Thanks for the feedback Fred. The Kryoflux Forums are admin-approval-only and I've been waiting a couple of days for that to happen. To the best of my own knowledge it's a pretty standard MFM, as the computers featured the Western Digital 1770 and 1772 contr

Re: The infinitely profitable program

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote: [Howard Fullmer] https://books.google.cz/books?id=WDAEMBAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=Howard+Fullmer+parasitic+engineering&source=bl&ots=vR97Abpe-n&sig=PkbTWlbiUCJDMt4iyl80Mu7Tds0&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Howard%20Fullmer%20parasitic%20engineering&f=f

Re: Disc Imaging / Kryoflux - Acorn ADFS 800KB

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On 07/02/2016 02:15 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote: The original ADFS had 16 sectors of 256 bytes per track. However, it appears that more recent ADFS formats use 5 sectors of 1024 bytes. There are more details here: http://mdfs.net/Docs/Comp/Disk/Format/Formats . . . and the "F" and "F+" would requir

Re: Disc Imaging / Kryoflux - Acorn ADFS 800KB

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Peter Coghlan wrote: The original ADFS had 16 sectors of 256 bytes per track. However, it appears that more recent ADFS formats use 5 sectors of 1024 bytes. There are more details here: http://mdfs.net/Docs/Comp/Disk/Format/Formats Thank you! Note: the use of the term "qu

Re: Maybe interesting toy in junk shop...

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Bill Sudbrink wrote: I was poking around a junk shop that I visit from time to time and I saw a toy. It didn't really strike me as that interesting when I saw it but I've been wondering about it since I left the place this morning. The thing was mostly red plastic with a car

RE: Maybe interesting toy in junk shop...

2016-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Bill Sudbrink wrote: No, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that the paper tape on this thing is for output, probably printed or marked in some way because the paper seemed too flimsy to hold a readable punch pattern. But now I'm pretty determined to go back tomorrow and see

Re: Source for server lift/hoist?

2016-07-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 4 Jul 2016, Jon Elson wrote: I've used an "engine hoist" around the shop to move heavy stuff. It has an extendable beam and a bottle jack to raise it. It folds up into a pretty small package when not in use. These can often be had pretty cheaply. http://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-c

Re: Source for server lift/hoist?

2016-07-04 Thread Fred Cisin
If you only need bench height, . . . http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lbs-capacity-hydraulic-table-cart-69148.html Hesitant to suggest, but MAYBE, . . . http://www.harborfreight.com/drywall-panel-hoist-69377.html

Re: Source for server lift/hoist?

2016-07-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 4 Jul 2016, Mark J. Blair wrote: I use a hydraulic lift truck for this purpose, but it was quite expensive: http://www.mcmaster.com/#2347t14/=1353wr8 Looks ideal. Northern Tool has a cheaper version: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200342354_200342354 ($599) for $3K, th

"FIRST"??!? (Was: word processor history -- interesting article

2016-07-06 Thread Fred Cisin
"FIRST"??!? On Wed, 6 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: All about some of the earliest people to write books using word processors. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/06/how-to-write-a-history-of-writing-software/489173/?platform=hootsuite "The first person to write abook using a

Re: word processor history -- interesting article

2016-07-06 Thread Fred Cisin
[glitches and inaccuracies] It talks about Isaac Asimov being given a TRS80 in 1983, and even has a picture of a TRS80 model 1 (SAME picture as Wikipedia, without the correct monitor, and missing the CPU/EI cable and no drives). In 1983, the model 1 had been discontinued for years, completely

Re: "FIRST"??!? (Was: word processor history -- interesting article

2016-07-06 Thread Fred Cisin
j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu writes: Depends what you mean by "word processor". If you mean 'software intended to format text', you need to look back to things like TJ2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TJ-2 and 'runoff', both circa 1963. Much earlier than any of the 'word processors' this person wrot

Re: "FIRST"??!? (Was: word processor history -- interesting article

2016-07-06 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: I remember punching my documents on an 026 then running a FORTRAN formatter. Of course, there were many escape codes conventions in the formatter for stuff like boldface, underlining, tables, word-wrap suppression, "widow" control, etc. I wasn't unique in t

Re: "FIRST"??!? (Was: word processor history -- interesting article

2016-07-07 Thread Fred Cisin
I will nominate as "the first manuscript created on a microcomputer wordprocessor": the documentation of ESP-1 ("Extended Software Package 1") by Michael Shrayer. (to do so, he created "Electric Pencil") He very well might not have been the first to do so, but it is well known to be the "FIRST"

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

2016-07-08 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: I may have missed it, but I haven't seen the IBM MT/ST mentioned. That's certainly a rather old system, dating back to 1964 according to Wikipedia, which says it's the oldest word processor (and references an article about WP history). The original post

Re: word processor history -- interesting article

2016-07-08 Thread Fred Cisin
[continued discussion from the URL that Evan posted] If the MT/ST was released in 1964, then even with its high price, it seems odd that so many years would go by before anybody used it for a book manuscript. On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: I can think of any number of reasons. $10k, i

Re: word processor history

2016-07-08 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote: That's it. I was even able to edit files that exceeded the RAM of the machine (I didn't do it often since it was sluggish but it could handle it). Many early word processing programs were limited to RAM. It was common practice to use a separate file per

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

2016-07-08 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: Remember that scene in one of the Star Trek movies where he firsts exclaims "You mean it's a MANUAL!" when he's told the computer he's attempting to voice command won't respond ? You think he's going to fumble with the keyboard then he starts typing so fast

Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits

2016-07-09 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: There are 30 exhibits for Vintage Computer Festival West XI next month: http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/vcf-west-exhibits/ Exhibit registration is full. Contact me privately if you'd like to join the waiting list. Suggest

Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits

2016-07-09 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Site is updated: - Hours listed on main show page - Main show page is linked back from each sub-page - Consignment form is posted on consignment page :) http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/ Thank you! That was extremely respo

Re: VCF West has 30 exhibits

2016-07-09 Thread Fred Cisin
So, I guess that I can bring a few items for the consignment sales, (which is also "information coming soon"), but NOT a station wagon full of boxes of books, classic vintage computers (QX10, SMC70, early 5150, 8201a, etc.), hundreds of hard-sector diskettes, 3", 3.25" disks and alignment disks, a

"Wooden modem" (Was: VCF West has 30 exhibits

2016-07-09 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: what kind of wooden modem? Livermore Data Systems, Model B BUT, this one is labelled: General Design, Inc. and is serial #0043 I assume that this is rebadged, but it could be that another company made identical modems. It's in EXCELLENT cosmetic

RE: VCF West has 30 exhibits

2016-07-10 Thread Fred Cisin
Thank you! That was extremely responsive! Well done. On Sun, 10 Jul 2016, Ali wrote: WHOA! Fred isn't grumpy! :D *ducking for cover* Well, it was pretty quick turnaround for a perfect response to a gripe/suggestion. Besides, it I don't acknowledge the good stuff, then people won't take me s

Re: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

2016-07-13 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Did MS-DOS use code copied from CP/M? Forensic software engineer Bob Zeidman said "no" in 2012 but now he has new research to disclose at VCF West. That's all I can say for now. :) THAT might be CP/M code in MS-DOS. As to your subject line of "DOS cod

Re: Doh! Oopsie in the subject line / was Re: CP/M code in DOS? Revisited...

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Wow, I really (bleeped) that one! Subject line indeed should have been "CP/M code in DOS" not the opposite. Sorry. :) Then my entire time travel hypothesis is for naught.

RE: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Kip Koon wrote: Hi Guys, I have been suspicious of Microsoft pirating CP/M for decades! Back in my twenties, I was reading about CP/M in the college library where I attended thinking, "Wow! CP/M looks EXACTLY like MS-DOS!" So I went on a reading spree and found out that

Re: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
When IBM decided to take over the personal computer market, they didn't do their homework very well. Intel convinced them to use the 8088, to have a gateway into 16 bit, instead of building a true 8 bit machine. One of the IBM people had seen a "Microsoft Softcard" (a Z80 co-processor plus CP/M

Re: NuTek Mac comes

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote: meeting. I'm guessing I will never be a BMW fan or a NeXT bigot. Wouldn't know. I don't do cars. I like BMW bikes, though. Had an R80/7 with a sidecar for many years. I like BMW bikes, and even the imitations (Ural, Dnepr). I love the Isetta, but somehow

RE: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
Bill Gates went down the street to SCP, and negotiated a deal to be able to sell licenses to Q-DOS/86-DOS/SB-86 to an unnamed client. On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: Not Bill Gates, Paul Allen, as detailed in his autobiography _Idea Man_. Just for the record. Thanks! I appreciate co

Re: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: GEM for the Atari ST is essntially a clone of MS-DOS functionality for the 68K with a graphics enhancement tacked on. Yet I've never heard any accusations that DRI "pirated" MS-DOS. Ah, but what a funny lawsuit!! A tempest in a teapot. At least from w

RE: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

2016-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin
CP/M rights later passed through to Corel and Caldera. On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: I have some foggy memory of Caldera using the "Digital Research" name, at least internally and on some documents. However, it's been a long time and the SCO-connected legacy left a terrible taste. Yo

RE: Found some stuff at the scrapyard

2016-07-17 Thread Fred Cisin
Original "A" version with HP-IB interface, useless for regular PCs of course. Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing On Sun, 17 Jul 2016, tony duell wrote: It's mildly easier to use with a normal PC than the -B model (HPIL, There were also variant models with "Centronics" interface. Those

Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

2016-07-18 Thread Fred Cisin
you won't find anything on the web about any of this now you have our attention!

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: Anything powered by electric motor above 2 hp or so often comes in 3 phase, and when you get to somewhat higher power (5 hp or so) it seems to be about the only option. Lathes and milling machines are good examples. and air compressors in automotive sh

Re: Possibly rarest Apple 1 ever for auction

2016-07-22 Thread Fred Cisin
"Original owner believed to be an early Apple employee ". You have the current owner who has a receipt from the previous owner who had said he got it from "maybe" an Apple employee back in 1977. On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Corey Cohen wrote: The key to this board is the evidence it wasn't part of eith

Re: Nova 3 front panel

2016-07-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: Somewhere, I have Oshino's write-up about bulb rated voltage and bulb operating voltage, but I do remember the lifespan varies as some power of the ratio, and it makes a huge difference. (There are also formulae for derating brightness, etc.) I fo

Re: Possibly rarest Apple 1 ever for auction

2016-07-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Corey Cohen wrote: There were no blank boards. That's the key. The sockets were wave soldered by the PCB manufacturer according to Woz. There were 2 runs of 100 boards each. Then, there were blank boards before the shop making the boards populated them. A bord could ha

RE: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
There were also variant models with "Centronics" interface. narrow and wide carriage. College dumpstered at least a hundred of them. Almost all working fine at the time. At one point, they fired a tenured faculty member for dumpster diving. I didn't get caught. I have a WIDE CARRIAGE QuietJet

RE: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: I have a WIDE CARRIAGE QuietJet Plus, with serial/parallel, to get rid of. FREE if you come get it. (Near Berkeley, in El Cerrito) Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well. . . . Supposedly drivers for Windoze through 10! and Mac: http

Re: Why classiccmp is awesome [was Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard]

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well. ... NO color nor colour! ... OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In the event of our quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you may bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your purchase pric

Re: Why classiccmp is awesome [was Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard]

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, ben wrote: PDP 8 or a uNova? no, sorry just excessive PC stuff. http://www.xenosoft.com/FPUIB is about 3 years out of date, but will give you an idea of what kind of stuff. Plus, I'm now ready to get rid of some books that I previously wanted to hang on to.

Re: Why classiccmp is awesome [was Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard]

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, pdaguytom . wrote: +1 Fred's dissertation on time for MSDOS code in CP/M was a fantastic giggle. If you mean the bit about the Galactic Copyright laws, that was quoted (without attribution) from "Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. A very wise man (Dave, editor of Micro-C

Re: Why classiccmp is awesome [was Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard]

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
Come visit with a vehicle, and we'll check what it takes to make your springs sag. On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Adrian Stoness wrote: mean the leafs upside down :P That takes quite a bit. Many cars now, instead of leaf springs have coil springs, often in the form of MacPherson struts and Chapman str

Re: Why classiccmp is awesome [was Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard]

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote: I just noticed this could be taken as being sarcastic. I'm not being sarcastic in the least. Humour - even humor - is a very significant thing to me; it makes you people feel human, for lack of a better word, makes me feel this is a community of people instead o

Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard

2016-07-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Curious Marc wrote: I cannot download any drivers from there. Links download link opens a Panasonic driver page, and if you navigate back to the HP QuietJet you get the same links again, nice circuitous path. The Win3.1 driver link was good though. Supposedly drivers for

Re: VCF West tickets

2016-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Pre-order ticket sales for VCF West end tomorrow at midnight ET. More available at the gate. https://t.co/kHKFAAn0TB $20 one day $30 both days But, what is the price to buy a ticket at the door?

Re: formatting and checking floppy disks for bad sectors

2016-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016, devin davison wrote: I have a heap of floppy disks on hand. Most with old junk on them. Some are going bad, and have bad spots in the middle of the disk. Is there a good utility for either windows or dos that can format a floppy and mark the bad parts of the floppy to not be

Re: formatting and checking floppy disks for bad sectors

2016-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: There used to be a `fdformat' utility available providing fancy stuff for DOS users like sector physical and logical shifting, interleaving, unusual geometries, etc. Be aware that FDFORMAT is ALSO the name of Linux low-level formatter, AND a Microso

Re: formatting and checking floppy disks for bad sectors

2016-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: From my experience with floppy formats and reasonably fast computers (i.e. where CPU processing latency doesn't really matter) the best results are obtained with no interleaving, no sector staggering on head switching, and single-sector staggering on

Re: VCF West tickets

2016-07-31 Thread Fred Cisin
Hold on a second I thought CHM admission was included in the price of the ticket. Also, is it saying that you have to be a CHM member and buy CHM tickets to get half off (i.e. just buying on the day of admission is not enough) otherwise I agree with Bill those of us who bought our tickets early

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

2016-08-01 Thread Fred Cisin
"Windows '95 = Macintosh '89" On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote: I was not aware all those pins existed. Did they (the pins) serve some special purpose, other than for someone to advertise an Apple product, on their shirt or hat? brand loyalty statement. (Ford V Chevy)

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

2016-08-01 Thread Fred Cisin
    I would call Win 95 a high point also.  I lived near Toronto at the time and remember the unfurling of a huge Win 95 banner down one side. On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, Brad H wrote: Er.. that was.. 'down one side of the CN tower'.. :) I was trying to visualize the unfurling of a huge Win 95 banner d

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

2016-08-01 Thread Fred Cisin
I remember BSOD after BSOD when Well, Windoze 3.00 was swamped with UAE ("Unexpected Application Error") One of the design goals of 3.10 was to "eliminate UAEs". Not as hard as it sounds! By 3.10, they were EXPECTED application errors. 98 SE got better me got worse XP was outstanding A

Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

2016-08-01 Thread Fred Cisin
I remember BSOD after BSOD when Well, Windoze 3.00 was swamped with UAE ("Unexpected Application Error") One of the design goals of 3.10 was to "eliminate UAEs". Not as hard as it sounds! By 3.10, they were EXPECTED application errors. On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote: :) Are you sure?

Re: VCF West tickets

2016-08-03 Thread Fred Cisin
Is there parking there? Is it free?

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-04 Thread Fred Cisin
If it's any help, . . . Among the stuff that I'm taking to the consignment table at VCF are a bunch of Windows Resource Kit, and some Windows programming books. (Half a dozen boxes, NOT including anything already in FPUIB.) But, with this structure, and being more "premium", they ain't free. -

VCF books (Was: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough

2016-08-04 Thread Fred Cisin
Can anybody advise me how much I should charge for PC Technical Reference Manuals (IBM binders in slipcases) and Windows Resource Kits (big book - only real documentation for Windoze) I've got a lot of different ones, and no longer feel the need for them. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred c

RE: SWTPC 6800

2016-08-05 Thread Fred Cisin
but as with all problem solving, Conan Doyle had it right when he said "after eliminating the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the solution" That quote is often horribly abused. Diagnosis by elimination is inherently faulty. Beginners, and "experts", will often use

RE: SWTPC 6800

2016-08-05 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Brad H wrote: I then tried 7 N 1 (that's how my CT1024 terminal is set up). This time I got more consistent characters. If I hit reset, there is also a response. If and when you get consistent characters, no matter how wrong, then it's time to look at the bit patterns of

RE: SWTPC 6800

2016-08-05 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Brad H wrote: I'm certain cabling is an issue here. I get a bit dyslexic with pins and understanding how things change on a cable like a null modem. OK, I don't know what your level of knowledge is on it. Mine is NOT very high, so please don't be offended if I tell grandm

Re: SWTPC 6800

2016-08-05 Thread Fred Cisin
On Friday (08/05/2016 at 06:50PM +), tony duell wrote: Am I the only person who rarely, if ever, has RS232 problems? On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Chris Elmquist wrote: No. ;-) OK, that's TWO. The rest of us are still struggling with our ignorance. Your explanation of baud-rate and bit numbere/p

Re: ISO: HP 110 AC Adapter

2016-08-07 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 6 Aug 2016, Josh Dersch wrote: Hey all -- Picked up some lovely junk at the VCF consignment table today, amongst which was an HP 110 with carrying case, floppy drive, thinkjet, and manuals (including the service manual!). Not included was a means to power this thing up. Anyone have a po

Re: SWTPC 6800

2016-08-09 Thread Fred Cisin
the configuration for the rate, 75 being another factor of 2 down in the standard rate series 19,200 . . 9600 . . 1200 . . 300 . . 150 . . -- Fred Cisin ci...@xenosoft.com XenoSofthttp://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 234-3397 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236

Re: still looking for that stuff?

2016-08-10 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, jim stephens wrote: Also note the compromised account may not be actually compromised where it is hosted and changing the passwords by the user on the list will do no good. finding a new email provider will. Not necessarily. Consider: System Z gets compromised. Whether w

Re: Spam [was Re: still looking for that stuff?]

2016-08-11 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 11 Aug 2016, geneb wrote: I think it would be more effective to stuff the spammer into a Brazen Bull and then force his children/family members to light the fire. Televise it across all media outlets. Spam should slow to a tiny, tiny, trickle after one or two of these little events...

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

2016-08-12 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Mazzini Alessandro wrote: It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they want to destroy also what's left of SGI ? Better I don't say what I'm really thinking... "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to remain silent."

Re: the value of old test and repair equipment

2016-08-12 Thread Fred Cisin
Something I forgot to note was that this instrument (the 4261A) was actually manufactured for HP by Yokogawa, I'm not too sure where the HP part ends and the Yokogawa begins, maybe it was designed by HP and built by Yokogawa, or maybe the whole thing was a contracted design for HP by Yokogawa. Y

Re: HP to acquire SGI

2016-08-12 Thread Fred Cisin
If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers? On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Paul Koning wrote: No, but it might put an end to the resulting company. Would that stop it from pushing Windoze10 "upgrade"? Note that HP didn't acquire DEC, or Palm; both had been absorbed by other companie

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

2016-08-14 Thread Fred Cisin
Could you get that translated into English, please? On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote: Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine tries all un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years wh

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Adrian Stoness wrote: should work fine u got rca and vga on that card might not be colour but it should work ?? What card is that? The IBM 5150 was the PC. The IBM 5151 was the IBm green screen "Monochrome" monitor. The card for that ("Monichrome Display and Printer Ca

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-14 Thread Fred Cisin
My apologies for my previous post; I have not yet received the original post. Thank you, Matt, for having quoted it. It does, indeed look like an aftermarket CGA. The DE connector on there is 9 pin (see solder side), and is probably CGA RGB. (NOT VGA!!) The "real" OEM IBM CGA does not have

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-14 Thread Fred Cisin
That one has a lightpen connector, which his dorsn't. Not usually important, but it might have other differences, such as different functions for the switchrs. There were some MDA boards without printer. Plugging 5151 into CGA could damage the 5151. Even plugging it into EGA with wrong switch

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-15 Thread Fred Cisin
That one has a lightpen connector, which his dorsn't. Not usually On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Take another look--the one in the photo has the header in the same place as that in the cited drawing. You're right. I only sae the resistor pack. That does look like the one. why the u

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-15 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Alexandre Souza wrote: This is a CGA clone. Apparently It can work with CGA [monitors] Presumably and Hercules monitors/modes, and really? connecting a "hercules" monitor, such as a 5151 to CGA can damage the monitor. usually were switched by a program called MONO

RE: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-15 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, tony duell wrote: In any case it rarely costs you the monitor if you get it wrong. A horizontal output transistor, sure. But they are not that expensive. Yes, readily repairable, and therefore "cost a monitor" is an exaggeration. But, somebody who is still unaware of the p

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

2016-08-15 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'. Thank you. That explained why the content looked ALMOST relevant. The word and phrase usage would seem likely to be able to fool a Salton style vector space (cosine) relevance ranking system! I still do

Re: 5150/5151 Video Card??

2016-08-15 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: On matters of historical technical accuracy, I've pretty much given up on WikiP. Oh, it's still useful, but I find myself muttering to myself "Vass you dere, Shollie?" when reading some of the stuff. It doesn't really matter--in a couple of decades, we'll

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