RE: Self modifying code, lambda calculus - Re: ENIAC programming

2015-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin
"Self modifying code may seem like a neat idea. But, it will turn around and byte you in the arse. Maybe not now, but soon, and for the rest of your life."

re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, John Foust wrote: As to why your antivirus didn't see it... there's always a few days before the latest infection mechanisms are documented and added to the AV updates. CryptoLocker has been around for a year. I don't think that McAfee nor AVG see it. "Well, it's not a V

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Liam Proven wrote: However, Cryptolocker et al spread by fooling users into running something they shouldn't run. I'm sorry, but you got suckered. Absolutely. I now think that it was a "We're Adobe, click here to update Flash Player" or maybe "Java update" But, I never got

Re: IBM 026

2015-09-19 Thread Fred Cisin
If somebody has one that they will sell for less than $100, then they can get away with saying that that is what it is worth. Otherwise, "value" has no quantifier other than what some buyer and some seller agree on. My parents sold their 57 Chevy station wagon for $50 in 1965. What is it wor

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Jon Elson wrote: Well, one would assume this is also OS specific. I would guess it would be incredibly hard to make a "disk" virus that would work on greatly differing OS's like Linux AND Windows. No telling what would happen if one of these disk viruses got onto a hard d

Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-20 Thread Fred Cisin
It is even possible to make a disk that is readable as multiple disk formats, so long as each is expecting the DIRectory tracks to be in different places. On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, tony duell wrote: So when used under OS-9 it acts normally (directory where the OS expects to find it), just with this a

Re: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, ben wrote: I was just digging in to old CP/M a bit and it was/is tied mostly to the IBM 8" standard floppy and the floppy interface used at the time. Even that gave a very small amount memory per track. Ben. single sided FM/SD 77 tracks, 26 sectors per track, 128 bytes per

Re: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-20 Thread Fred Cisin
single sided FM/SD 77 tracks, 26 sectors per track, 128 bytes per sector 256,256 bytes (250.25K) On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: There was a good reason for that. Many early disk controllers did not have a "write index to index" fucntion that also enabled writing special (i.e. missing c

Re: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, ben wrote: So did it matter? You ran Basic or played games from cassete. Sure. But, I was never happy with cassette for program nor data storage. I bought an Expansion Interface the day that it became available, but I never bought a drive from Radio Shack nor IBM. Bare

RE: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin
> Epson PX8? That's a commercial or industrial system? Did it run an EDM setup, turret lathe or vacuforming machine? Anyone keep their AR, AP, GL, payroll and inventory on one? I doubt that one could run a PBX. On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, tony duell wrote: I guess it depends on what you call a 'com

RE: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin
> Why not; not much different conceptually after all > from early systems using open-reel mag tape, or > even punch(ed) cards. On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, tony duell wrote: I feel there are 2 distinct types of cassette system from the user perspective. The first is the sort used on 1980s home comput

Re: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin
Ah, but when people with Valdocs wanted to change to another word-processing system, as was likely to happen often in business, they would contact, Chuck, me, or any of our colleagues in the disk format conversion field. The CP/M users might not have as frequent a conversion need, and/or might

Re: Multi-platform distribution format (Was: Backups [was

2015-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin
and, of course, as a third type, Exatron Stringy-Floppy computer based, but NOT entirely usable. The department chair at one of the colleges attempted to convert an entire TRS80 based student computer lab over to stringy floppy. He was the same one who later had a lab full of TRS80 model 3s con

Re: Self modifying code, lambda calculus - Re: ENIAC programming

2015-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin
[...] a first encounter with the notion, at least for me, involved FORTRAN, not any language. [...] I've always thought of FORTRAN as a language, so I am clearly missing something here. What? Probably a misspeak. But FORTRAN is more than simply a language--it's a way of life. :) A REAL pr

Re: Self modifying code, lambda calculus - Re: ENIAC programming

2015-09-21 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: PASCAL was first implemented in FORTRAN. But then, much later, . . . Microsoft/IBM PC Pascal was written by Bob Wallace. I have no idea WHO, but Microsoft/IBM PC FORTRAN was written in Microsoft Pascal. There was an odd little warning not to use any 6

RE: The desk has arrived - WAS: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

2015-09-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Ali wrote: http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/878/retro-scan-of-the-week-the-official-ibm-pc-desk I likde those. I gave three of those to the college for use as classroom machines. I had gotten them for next to nothing, because they were sized for 5150, n

Re: Structured Fortran - was Re: Self modifying code, lambda calculus

2015-09-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: what an F77 programmer might recognize as FORTRAN. Wouldn't an F77 programmer be looking for Fortran, not FORTRAN? But back in the 60's, every manufacturer had its own variety of FORTRAN, including (IIRC), UNIVAC's own "FORTRAN V". Ah, yes. I remember

Re: Structured Fortran - was Re: Self modifying code, lambda calculus

2015-09-22 Thread Fred Cisin
Wouldn't an F77 programmer be looking for Fortran, not FORTRAN? On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: It could be that "Fortran" was in common use, but I think not officially adopted and sanctified by X3J3 until F90. I'd have to go reading through the standards to figure it out--right now,

Re: The desk has arrived - WAS: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

2015-09-22 Thread Fred Cisin
I've also still got my original THINK sign but you'd have to pry that from my cold dead fingers; has anyone ever made a replica? Shouldn't be too hard. Since these desks did not have one originally, there is no need for authenticitiy. Any engraving shop should be able to make you a small bras

Re: would like to find blue dg et head looking terminal to go with small ecli...

2015-09-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote: I see you have one of those small reel tape drives also like we do in our s20... what is the interface on them? what BPI ? who actually madethem? rather off-topic: is your space bar sticking? Seems like a lot of keybounce.

Re: Structured Fortran - was Re: Self modifying code, lambda calculus

2015-09-24 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Eric Smith wrote: And the length of a char? It's required that all types other than bitfields be fully represented as multiple chars, not e.g. an int being two and a half chars, and a char has to cover at least the range 0..255, or -128..127, and it has to have a range based

Re: Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside info?

2015-09-24 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote: is it adps 6or8? I am actually sincerely sorry that you are having another migraine that causes you to press the spacebar. But, I do have to point out that it makes you sound like William Shatner.

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26

2015-09-26 Thread Fred Cisin
My Garmin has had data integrity issues in its database. Plus, lack of *convenient* tools, and having to rummage around here and there to find them. Halfway across the Richmond-San Rafael bridge the Garmin siad to turn right. Never trust the voices.

Re: MARC (was Re: Thoughts on manual database design?)

2015-09-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015, Steve Algernon wrote: Not sure if it's relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordMARC My brother was one of the few engineers on this product, in Palo Alto. The software ran on dozens of different machines and architectures, using the most portable language of the day:

Re: If you OCR, always archive the bitmaps too - Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: It seems to me that a better tool could solve the issue. One that could display the OCR:ed content only and the scanned content only when desired, for instance when you suspect an error. Is there such a reader? Is the content organised to make it possib

Re: If you OCR, always archive the bitmaps too - Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: That would be possible, I guess. But I would so like to remember, refind what I used back then. The results it produced was pretty much identical to the original. Manuals, in comparison, would be pretty straight forward. (Less fonts, and less strange

Re: Troubleshooting a 286.. oscope level!

2015-10-03 Thread Fred Cisin
e a Twinhead 386sx/16 I bought new, the only thing I've used it for in the past 20 years is a serial terminal, and every time I go to boot it, I have to drop into BIOS, and configure things, as the BIOS battery is long dead. Zane -- Fred Cisin ci...@xenosoft.com Xen

RE: Troubleshooting a 286.. oscope level!

2015-10-03 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: Yamaha C1, one of these: It doesn't behave at all. The LCD backlight never comes on, and it always thinks that it's in external video mode. There is a dip switch on the back to set this between internal and external display, and it never switches to int

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin
Is there ever any Vintage Computer Festivals in Oklahoma? If not How would I go about setting one up in Tulsa? I can have use of any of the buildings at the fairgrounds...? On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, et...@757.org wrote: Make like a shoe... and do it! If he comes up with his own name, then there is

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin
If he comes up with his own name, then there is nothing stopping him from putting it together completely independently. If he wants to use the VCF name, then he should talk tothose currently doing it. On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, et...@757.org wrote: Is it a trademark like Maker Faire where everyone has

Re: Lost a friend

2016-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, dwight wrote: Sandy BuMgarner was a friend that I'd known for 15 or 20 years. He was one of the principle designers of the code that went into Jef Raskin's Canon Cat. He was also a professor a Gavilan College, near Gilroy, Ca. He'd been fighting cancer for more years than I c

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Guy Sotomayor wrote: I understand the desire to having a separate vendor area so as to keep the exhibit area a bit “neater” and more focused on demos rather than selling/trading. It is a tradeoff and I agree it’s a choice that folks have to make if they want to exhibit or

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-18 Thread Fred Cisin
For VCF-West, I have a ridiculous amount of crap to dispose of On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: Looking forward to seeing you there. I encourage you to sell as much as possible in consignment as long as it's on-topic. :) Q: policy/attitude/preference: At some swaps in the distant pa

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-18 Thread Fred Cisin
Maybe one day we'll have a flea/swap event. Perhaps even include that as a separate day before/after the main show. It has been a long time.It has been far too long since VCF (west) John Craig experienced a process that a friend called "the inevitable decline of flea-markets". They start

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-18 Thread Fred Cisin
> Q:  policy/attitude/preference:  At some swaps in the distant past, > there were limits (dozen items?) posed on amount any one person could > put in consignment.  Are you wanting to INCREASE the consignmentvolume? > I would love to just handoff a small station wagon full of stuff to THEM. The de

Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???

2016-04-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, couryhouse wrote: Are we talking  John Craig who used to have the 59 el camino?...ed# No idea what he was driving. It was 35 years ago, so a 59 El Camino was certainly possible. I think that he was also one of the publishers of Infoworld, if that helps you track him down

Re: Fan bearing lubricant was Re: WD-40 (again)

2016-04-19 Thread Fred Cisin
Unless the Braycote products are directly interchangeable with Sperm Whale oil, how is your comparison even remotely relevant? Well whale oil is merely an example illustrating that there are other expensive and/or hard to come by lubricants.

Re: Keys - Non-Ace was RE: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)

2016-04-19 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Mike Stein wrote: I finally found my micrometer; is there a cross-reference of pin # vs. depth or just a list of standard depths for ACE keys somewhere? Yes. Called a "depth and space reference" (different for manufacturer, and sometimes blank) 5 years ago, we had a simi

Re: Keys - Non-Ace was RE: ACE Key codes (xx2247 etc.)

2016-04-19 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Paul Koning wrote: Look here, http://www.hpcworld.com/mobile/km/pocketcutup/index.html, click "See the manual", it's at the bottom of the first page. Looks like a neat little machine. I don't have one (or any knowledge of these devices), but if I needed keys like that I'd

Re: [OT] eBay tale (Was: Re: flea markets (was Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???))

2016-04-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 20 Apr 2016, Mark J. Blair wrote: accounts. I did that, and was vocal about it (not that many people heard me, though, as I'm hardly an influential person online). PayPal very quickly amended their TOS based on the very loud backlash online, Sounds as though you are more influential tha

RE: [OT] eBay tale (Was: Re: flea markets (was Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???))

2016-04-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 20 Apr 2016, Ali wrote: time I see one of those threads I simply reply "FREE + actual cost of S&H". Most of our crap^H^H^H^H valuables actually would call for the seller paying a chunk or all of the S&H. Reduction of that is part of what makes a flea market venue nice for getting r

Re: Accelerator boards - no future? Bad business?

2016-04-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 22 Apr 2016, Eric Christopherson wrote: I like the new types of peripherals but it makes me a little uncomfortable knowing that e.g. in the case of the uIEC-SD for Commodores, the clock speed of the peripheral is 16 to 20 times that of the original host CPU. I keep hatching little schemes

Re: Apple LaserWriter - was Re: Accelerator boards - no future? Bad business?

2016-04-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 22 Apr 2016, Toby Thain wrote: Yes, it had RS232 serial (and AppleTalk), like all the early PostScript devices. It wasn't _that_ fast, though: 12 MHz 68K running an interpreted language it would certainly not be fast by any recent standards, and I had always assumed that the speed dif

Re: Ibm s-100 system?

2016-04-23 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 23 Apr 2016, william degnan wrote: I have a copy of a MS or IBM DOS for my CompuPro on 8" disk, I think it's v. 1.25. 1.25 would be MS-DOS. The PC-DOS equivalent was 1.10 ("equivalent", NOT exactly the same (GWBASIC, MODE.COM differences, IO.SYS/IBMBIO.COM differences, FORMAT, DISKCOP

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-04-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: Smalltalk has other issues. In the 80s, there were not many machines capable of running Smalltalk (I'm not aware of any implementation on micros, serious or not) Apple Lisa. Don't know whether it ever went to market.

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-04-29 Thread Fred Cisin
And you do know what Apple MacOS was originally written in, don't you? On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Chris Hanson wrote: The original Macintosh System Software was almost entirely M68000 assembly language. There were a couple parts of the original System Software that were written in Pascal, but by and

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-04-29 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Chris Hanson wrote: I think both Lisa and Mac Smalltalk went to market, or at least to academia and industry if they weren’t available as products. I know that the Lisa went to market. Sorta. Well before public announcement, I played with one briefly in my cousin's off

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-04-29 Thread Fred Cisin
> and it was adopted by a very successful company (Sun) Unix had taken off big-time before Sun even appeared. Unix created Sun. Sun didn't create Unix. I remember one day when our department chair (community college CS) came running into the lab, very excited. "We're getting Suns! We're

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

2016-04-29 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Eric Smith wrote: The problem is that C doesn't just allow you to do stupid things, it's actively encouraged. C doesn't just let you aim at your foot, it defaults to aiming at your foot. I like the title that Holub chose for his book: "Enough Rope To Shoot Yourself In The F

Re: Ideas for running a VB4 application on modern hardware?

2016-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin
Wouldn't it be easier to run the code on a machine from the relevant time period? XP32 laptops are fairly readily available, and don't take much storage space.

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Jason Scott wrote: On Jay West vs Wikipedia, always bet your money on Jay West Wikipedia is an amateur effort, with some serious attempts to try to reduce the errors. It is almost inevitable that somebody will declare something to have been included if THEY had it, not ev

Re: tsx-plus wikipedia article

2016-05-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Jay West vs Wikipedia, always bet your money on Jay West Wikipedia is an amateur effort, with some serious attempts to try to reduce the errors. On Wed, 4 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: If you see an error in Wikipedia, the friendly answer is to fix the error, not to grumble about it on ma

Re: Firming up rubber? (was: Cleaning rubber goo)

2016-05-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On a similar note, does any have a solution to firm up rubber that is just starting to gooify? These days, it is hard to find "Ubik".

Re: AW: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

2016-05-05 Thread Fred Cisin
Wasn't minicomputer really a marketing term, anyway? Suits and all? On Thu, 5 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Well, it was the sixties, after all. We all forget "midicomputer". :) We try to. My sexist memories of miniskirts are what lets me tolerate the marketing silliness behind the name "m

Re: Interfacing with HP-HIL

2016-05-06 Thread Fred Cisin
TTL could never claim "lower power" :-) than vacuum tubes ("valves")?

Re: CDC 9429 Floppy maintenance manual

2016-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin
I have reason to believe that the CDC 9428 and 9429 are identical except that the 9429 is jumpered for 80 tracks and the 9428 is jumpered for 40 tracks... but I'm not 100% sure. * On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:17:50PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: They would have to have different heads, if the 40 tra

Re: CDC 9429 Floppy maintenance manual

2016-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin
> > Ahhh... of course, I should have thought of that. > > I am even more cautious about using the 9428 manual for 9429 > > service, then. Actually, many lines of drives, such as the Tandon TM100 have the same circuitry for both the 48tpi and 96tpi variants. (and the TM100-4M at 100tpi) On Sun,

Re: CDC 9429 Floppy maintenance manual

2016-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin
Oddly, my own troubles with the SA-400 (believe it or not, this was used as the original IBM offering for the 5150 drive) were with the tach circuit. Mine blew a small inductor. On Sun, 8 May 2016, Paul Berger wrote: Are you sure about the SA-400 being used in 5150s? All the ones I ever saw w

Re: CDC 9429 Floppy maintenance manual

2016-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin
It would have at least had to be the SA400-L, since the SA400 was 35 track, and PC-DOS, from the get-go, used 40 tracks. Or [trivially] patched. Either done right, or kludged by putting a non-existent file in the directory occupying tracks 35-39. There were some strange patches in the early

Re: Is there a C compiler for CP/M-80?

2016-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 11 May 2016, Corey Cohen wrote: I think the title explains it all. Looking for a C compiler I can run on my Sol-20 with CP/M 1.4 For casually playing with the language, rather than serious projects, consider BDS C, by Leor Zolman. Source code is available.

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

2016-05-13 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 14 May 2016, Tor Arntsen wrote: Beancounter (looking in sales brochure): "Purple? We don't do that kind of thing here. This other model will do, surely" (points to beige version). If you are only going to have one color, then beige is preferable, followed by black, and quite a bit furt

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

2016-05-13 Thread Fred Cisin
GE used black on their computers Ever see one of those black computers from Hell and Bowel, that seem just like an Apple? B&H was able to get away with a bluish color for their 500 series Filmosound projectors, but it was an uphill battle after the JANs and then the brown suitcases of the

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

2016-05-13 Thread Fred Cisin
Ever see one of those black computers from Hell and Bowel, that seem just like an Apple? On Fri, 13 May 2016, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: I sold them in the early 80s. My memory is very fuzzy, but ISTR they were a licensed clone of the Apple ][. And they actually worked. Yes, they were. They ha

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

2016-05-13 Thread Fred Cisin
They weren't even clones, they were the real deal. Apple II Plus computers produced by Apple for B&H for a time. On Fri, 13 May 2016, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: Apple manufactured an OEM Apple ][+ ? Really? I was pretty sure the B&H's were an independent product. Not independent. Apple licens

Re: 'Inside Macintosh' books

2016-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 18 May 2016, Sean Caron wrote: There were two printings of Inside Macintosh; the original printing was, I believe, a six or seven-volume set over time ... More than two printings. The first version was originally looseleaf. (4? volumes) Distributed to the "Certified Developer" program

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 18 May 2016, John Willis wrote: Let's not forget that the bulk of the Apple Lisa operating system and at least large parts of the original Macintosh system software were also implemented in Pascal (though IIRC hand-translated into 68k assembly language), which was a pretty big mainstream

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 18 May 2016, Sean Caron wrote: Pascal was probably the predominant applications development language on Mac OS through the mid 1990s or so, no? Certainly all the Toolbox bindings were originally written with the idea that people would be developing in Pascal. Windoze also used Pascal s

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin
At the time, it was sometimes interpreted differently: "Apple hired brilliant people for the project. BUT, they had so little real-world experience that they didn't even realize what a mistake it would be to write an OS in a high level language. On Wed, 18 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: What a

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin
Apple Lisa operating system . . . implemented in Pascal . . . . which was a pretty big mainstream success for proving Pascal as suitable for developing systems software. "Apple hired brilliant people for the project. BUT, they had so little real-world experience that they didn't even realize wh

RE: classics I threw away or sold ... foolishly

2016-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 18 May 2016, Jarratt RMA wrote: 1. HP 150 and 9121D, [...] I have one of these. It it a pretty ordinary 3.5" floppy as I recall. Really pleased with my example! It is just missing the printer in the top of the monitor. There have been a few minor changes in the disks, mostly the shutte

Re: Classics long overdue a Boot.

2016-05-19 Thread Fred Cisin
If I manage to make it to VCF, I should try to get rid of: Epson RC20 - Z80 RAM, pseudo ROM, serial port. Unfortunately, not having charged it up in way too long, in addition to battery charge, somebody will have to locate the "ROM-Roader", or make one. NEC 8201A - same group of machines as M

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-20 Thread Fred Cisin
I don't know if that was a specific market ploy based on Moore's Law, an actually quite smart move, . . . or just the generally accepted practice of getting an initial version with the API working any which way, then refactoring to improve performance/correctness in later versions. For decad

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin
On 22 May 2016 at 04:52, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: Because the 808x was a 16-bit processor with 1MB physical addressing. I would argue that for the time 808x was brilliant in that most other 16-bit micros only allowed for 64KB physical. Whether 8088 was an "8 bit" or "16 bit" processor depends

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: This was always the biggest pustule on the facade of x86 to me. Gate A20 and other chicanery was nasty business. It always struck me as a hardware hack to work around earlier bad design. to work around earlier LIMITED design. IFF 64K is reasonable for yo

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

2016-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 25 May 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: Those printers had an amazingly long life! They were first introduced in 1959 with the 1401 computer, and, like I said, the brand spanking new System 3 they got in ca. 1976 came with one! I wonder when IBM stopped producing them? Did they discontinue the

Re: vintage computers in active use

2016-05-26 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 extract: The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinen

Re: vintage computers in active use

2016-05-26 Thread Fred Cisin
"According to the report, the US treasury also needed to upgrade its systems, which it said was using "assembly language code - a computer language initially used in the 1950s and typically tied to the hardware for which it was developed"." On Thu, 26 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Assembly is st

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-26 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote: So I was broadly right that the 8088/8086 sit somewhere on the dividing line? That at least is good to know! Of course. That is exactly the point. How you draw the line, determines which side it will fall, and it is right in the middle, so many otherwise

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
> I had words with Clancy and Harvey. While need may be diminshed, > there is never a complete elimination of the need to pay attention to, > and optimize near, the level of hardware. [top posted, with Swift's remarks below] The Clancy and Harvey topic is about curriculum, and teaching of "co

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote: ["Demystification"] Those first two titles sound reasonable. The third sounds strangely touchy-feely rather than like an engineering course. A touchy-feely nickname applied by those who personally wouldn't have anything to do with it. They had a brilli

Re: ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 27 May 2016, Josh Dersch wrote: Oh, I see what's going on. See, this is the "cctalk" (Classic Computing Talk) mailing list. I think what you're meaning to send this to is the "ccctalk" (Cranky C Curmudgeons Talk) mailing list. Could we maybe talk about classic computing rather than go

RE: Need Rec: Book to teach about computers and BASIC at an eight year old level

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
Drlegendre wrote... - And BASIC is great, but as soon as the kid grasps the concepts, move him to Perl or Python ASAP. - On Fri, 27 May 2016, Jay West wrote: I suggest instead... "BASIC is great, but as soon as the kid grasps the concepts, move him to assembly language ASAP." *grin*

RE: Windows use in medical spaces (Re: vintage computers in active use)

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
In the ER, they handed me a tiny tablet (2" x 6"?) and asked me to sign my name. "Why?" "So that we can paste your signature into all of the documents. Would you like a copy of the papers that we sign your name to?" After that, Windows seems perfectly suited. What would you expect. Properly

RE: Need Rec: Book to teach about computers and BASIC at an eight year old level

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
and APL is fun! On Fri, 27 May 2016, Dave Wade wrote: Those who write APL programs ae sadists, IFF they make anybody else look at them.

RE: Need Rec: Book to teach about computers and BASIC at an eight year old level

2016-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin
Have you considered David Lien's book? One version of it came bundled with the TRS80. On Fri, 27 May 2016, Ali wrote: I am not familiar with his book. I will look around and see f I can find a used copy on the usual sites. https://archive.org/details/Level_1_Users_Manual_1977_David_Lien but,

cctalk@classiccmp.org

2016-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 29 May 2016, wulfman wrote: http://hackaday.com/2016/05/29/dragging-teletypes-into-the-21st-century/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29&utm_content=FeedBurner+user+view -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended

cctalk@classiccmp.org

2016-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 29 May 2016, wulfman wrote: I figured some of you might have had an interest. Excuse me if i was wrong. WITH a sentence or so of commentary. An email with NO content other than a URL and an impersonal signature, but no personal description, and with a subject line of the URL looks mo

cctalk@classiccmp.org

2016-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin
http://hackaday.com/2016/05/29/dragging-teletypes-into-the-21st-century/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29&utm_content=FeedBurner+user+view Did you have anything to say about it? Or are you just dumping a URL on us? On Sun, 29 May 2016,

cctalk@classiccmp.org

2016-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 29 May 2016, wulfman wrote: You either have a stick up your ass, are too stupid to know the difference between a malware link and a real link OR both. Now go back to your worrying about the 0.1% of links that contain malware. I'm glad to hear it. OK, initially, I was glad that you'

Typeface resembling 1403

2016-05-30 Thread Fred Cisin
Jeff Kellem created a typeface similar to that of the 1403. https://1403.slantedhall.com/ http://6equj5.surge.sh/ It is not free. He does not claim that it matches, "inspired by".

Classic keyboard (and fonts) (Was: NEC ProSpeed 386

2016-05-31 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 31 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: It might be interesting to poll the list to see who's still using an IBM Model M keyboard on their x86 box. I am. Windows key? What Windows key? ;) The one with the picture of a dry-rot window Do you mean [Ctrl[Esc]? Best way to represent the above?

Re: NEC ProSpeed 386

2016-05-31 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 31 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: It could be a matter of what you learned to touch-type on. For me, it was a manual Underwood office machine. Royal It took some time to get used to an electric typewriter--too twitchy. One thing that's probably been lost to time is the need for a unif

Re: NEC ProSpeed 386

2016-05-31 Thread Fred Cisin
I had a problem with touch-typing. My little finger wasn't strong enough to casually lift the entire mechanism. So, for a capital 'F', instead of a little finger and the key, it was my whole right hand on the right shift while I pressed that key. On Tue, 31 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Fred, I

Re: PDP-11/94-E

2016-06-01 Thread Fred Cisin
Here's a clue "Garmin" You had me really confused there for a moment. I thought you were talking about the company that makes navigational devices at first and couldn't for the life of me figure out what they had to do with it. Obviously, I had the wrong Garmin… On Wed, 1 Jun 2016, Jerry Wei

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-02 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: I'll probably put in a SCSI ZIP drive and a combo 3.5" / 5 1/4" drive if I go with a big honkin' case. If not, I'll just do a 3.5" floppy if I gotta choose. I wonder if any of those "big floppy" style drives supported standard 3.5" floppies, too? Didn't the

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

2016-06-02 Thread Fred Cisin
No CD. Why no CD-ROM? 2/3G storage; SCSI or proprietary interfaces, even parallel port adapters. Oh, that was someone else. I'll put in a SCSI CDROM, probably a Plextor or Pioneer. CD-ROM was less work for installing Windoze 3.10/3.11 than a couple dozen floppies. Or installing SLS or Slackwa

2.8M Floppy (Was: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs -

2016-06-02 Thread Fred Cisin
I hope that Chuck will correct some of the errors that I made below: On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Not sure about the need for drivers, however. I guess it depends upon the type and version of your OS. I never had the need of them. Simply declaring the drive as such in the BIOS setup

Re: 2.8M Floppy (Was: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs -

2016-06-02 Thread Fred Cisin
> I hope that Chuck will correct some of the errors that I made below: On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: I think you've pretty much got it. Was it 4.00 that added 2.8M? Sounds right--but it may also be a matter of *which* 4.0. MS or IBM? Some GOOGLEing seems to show it as being 5.00

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep^M ?

2016-06-03 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: One reason is that parallel port devices were generally designed to work along with other parallel peripherals on the same port, so they have to watch their Ps and Qs. LL/Interlink use the port as dedicated, so no such worry. . . . and, it is using two co

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep^M ?

2016-06-03 Thread Fred Cisin
On 06/03/2016 12:19 PM, Mike Stein wrote: How many station wagons full of 9-track tapes would fit into a (20) cigarette box filled with microSD cards? On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Silly. A station wagon, empty or full, is bigger than a cigarette box, so the answer must be close to ze

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