[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
Maybe Toool would be a good place to ask https://toool.nl/Toool They do run a LockCon but it appears to be in October and costs around 360 Euro plus accommodation. So, an expensive route to find a key. The UK organisation run a monthly meeting at FizzPop in Birmingham which is more accessible but

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 5:33 PM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > > On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > ... > > I think there is only one key. The lock is somewhat unsual though. > > > > There are 4 pins in the plug (the rotating part). There are 3 > > positions of the

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2025-04-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 at 17:54, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > the COCO which > was never called a TRS-80 that I know of. Yes it was. Note the title of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer Here's a pic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer#/media/Fi

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Walter Belgers via cctalk
Hi, > On 8 Apr 2025, at 09:17, Adrian Godwin via cctalk > wrote: > Maybe Toool would be a good place to ask I've already sent a mail off-list. I am the former president of Toool and organiser of LockCon for many years. And co-writer of the book about Locksport :) I can create a key, if need

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > I think there is only one key. The lock is somewhat unsual though. > > There are 4 pins in the plug (the rotating part). There are 3 > positions of the lock and the key is removeable in all 3. There are > therefore 3 set

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread The Doctor via cctalk
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 12:24, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/ > > It looks like a Lips lock, which would make sense for a Dutch computer. I had some parts of me go looking around, and the keyway reminds me a bit of an EVVA Euro cylinder, pe

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread The Doctor via cctalk
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 13:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that > looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank. > I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine. It might not

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 4/8/25 21:14, The Doctor via cctalk wrote: Would it be feasible to cut a couple of key blanks out of metal plate? Maybe metal strips? (I'm a CAD designer, have experience in machine shops and have done custom metal fabrication off & on for almost 50 years) Entirely feasible, and expen

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread The Doctor via cctalk
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 02:07, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > However the key/blank is a rather odd shape and I have nothing that > will fit in the keyway of the lock. How likely do you think it would be for someone to machine the right kind of blanks out of stock? Or possibly existing

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-08 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
Nay-saying is always easy. I'd rather hear from smart people who can tell me whether or how a tool is useful now, as well as how it might enhance projects in the future. Why couldn't a present or future AI help you translate from one BASIC dialect to another, if that's what you want to do? If y

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 4/8/25 21:41, The Doctor via cctalk wrote: I don't know where the unit is, and I'm in the States. If you'd be on the west coast at some point I'd love to geek out over metalworking and lock parts over coffee some time. I'm deep in the Texas boondocks, but Skype is a thing. :-) I do hope

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> How likely do you think it would be for someone to machine the right > kind of blanks out of stock? Or possibly existing key blanks that > just need a few extra cuts on the sides? It's really not going to be necessary to machine blanks. Download "Key Blank Directory - Edition: 13" from here

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread The Doctor via cctalk
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 00:17, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: > They do run a LockCon but it appears to be in October and costs around 360 > Euro plus accommodation. So, an expensive route to find a key. > The UK organisation run a monthly meeting at FizzPop in Birmingham which > is mo

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank. I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine. On Wed, 9 Apr 2025, The Doctor via cctalk wrote: It might not even need an automill. A

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 4/8/25 21:14, The Doctor via cctalk wrote: Would it be feasible to cut a couple of key blanks out of metal plate? Maybe metal strips? Meant to add that if you go this route, a dozen of each blank shouldn't cost much more than one. The cost of making them is mostly in the design and th

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025, The Doctor via cctalk wrote: My thinking was the former - one key cut for five pin stacks, but only four would be used by a given position. Tony said that the plug slides forward and back, with a spring behind it. With that setup, four cutes is likely to work, since you slid

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread The Doctor via cctalk
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 19:30, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote: > You need precise (to your spec of precise - I don't know how much "slop" > is too much for a key) measurements of the overall thickness and width, > length, and the depth and width of each groove. I'm not a machinist (defin

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 4:07 AM The Doctor via cctalk wrote: > I don't know where the unit is, and I'm in the States. If you'd be on the > west coast at some point I'd love to geek out over metalworking and lock > parts over coffee some time. The lock (and I) are in SE London, England. I think t

[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch

2025-04-08 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 3:22 AM The Doctor via cctalk wrote: > Before I saw the photographs I would have guessed that the three sets of > tumbler > stacks would all be pinned identically. In terms of manufacture and > maintenance it > would be both easiest and cost effective. But. > > Photogra