[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2025-04-03 12:16 a.m., Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: Indeed. As I wrote it has no actual understanding. It just combines things based on statistics. It is like Mark V. Shaney, the chatbot that Rob Pike and Bruce Ellis did in the 1980s, but with enormous amounts of computing power (and s

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
AIs that are wise rather than idiot-savants ought to be useful, in the way sci-fi writers imagine. However, statistical systems can't surpass their training, and their training contains flaws - many, in the case of uncurated internet grabs. And the compulsion to not admit to a lack of knowledge and

[cctalk] Re: Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/3/25 11:40, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: > I wonder if the source, not just the listing is available. It would be > interesting to build it on TOPS-10 running on a KA-10 simulated on Simh. > Given the extent that it was pirated in the early days, I strongly suspect that there have been

[cctalk] Re: Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread Doug McIntyre via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 03, 2025 at 02:40:23PM -0400, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: > I wonder if the source, not just the listing is available. It would be > interesting to build it on TOPS-10 running on a KA-10 simulated on Simh. While there have been plenty of disassemblies around, I assume this thre

[cctalk] Re: Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread Van Snyder via cctalk
On Thu, 2025-04-03 at 10:43 -0400, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > I wonder if this helped start the microcomputer revolution, OS-side,  > or > was this a re-hash of what already was available? In 1972 on Univac 1108 at JPL, I developed an interactive numerical math package, similar to but m

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 04/03/2025 5:37 PM EDT Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 4/3/25 14:21, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > In another task where I wanted to quickly generate a text-based > > profile of a computer's specifications and component

[cctalk] Re: Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk
Murray said > On 04/04/2025 12:43 AM AEST Murray McCullough via cctalk > wrote: > I wonder if this helped start the microcomputer revolution, OS-side, or > was this a re-hash of what already was available? > > It's a historical event as per se but much more than that I'm not sure! Looking thro

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/3/25 14:21, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > In another task where I wanted to quickly generate a text-based > profile of a computer's specifications and components, it was very > helpful in writing a bunch of PowerShell. Did it hallucinate

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/3/25 16:21, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Apparently, some think that within 10 years, AI will replace doctors and teachers: It's one thing to say that AI methods have been shown to give better diagnoses in some situations than the humans,

[cctalk] Re: Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread Rich Alderson via cctalk
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 15:20:35 -0500 > From: Doug McIntyre via cctalk > On Thu, Apr 03, 2025 at 02:40:23PM -0400, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: >> I wonder if the source, not just the listing is available. It would be >> interesting to build it on TOPS-10 running on a KA-10 simulated on S

[cctalk] Re: Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
I wonder if the source, not just the listing is available. It would be interesting to build it on TOPS-10 running on a KA-10 simulated on Simh. On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 2:21 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I wonder if this helped start the microcomputer revolution,

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >Apparently, some think that within 10 years, AI will replace doctors and >teachers: It's one thing to say that AI methods have been shown to give better diagnoses in some situations than the humans, it's quite another to suggest we won't need do

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 03, 2025 at 12:44:47AM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2025-04-03 12:16 a.m., Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > > > Indeed. As I wrote it has no actual understanding. It just combines > > things based on statistics. > > > > It is like Mark V. Shaney, the chatbot that Rob Pike and

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/3/25 16:37, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/3/25 14:21, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: In another task where I wanted to quickly generate a text-based profile of a computer's specifications and components, it was very helpful in writing a

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/3/25 16:12, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > As for PAs, my regular doctor was out of town, I had a rash on my side > and went to an urgent care place, the PA there totally misdiagnosed it, > and it got worse.  Then, I went to a dermatologist, he took a sample of > scrapings off the rash, diagno

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
I’ve not had good luck with any PA’s so I won’t see them. Their diagnosis is supposed to be reviewed/approved by a real Doctor, but I don’t think that happens like it’s supposed to. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2025, at 16:23, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 4/3/25 16:12, Jon Els

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 3, 2025, 3:51 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 04/03/2025 5:37 PM EDT Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > On 4/3/25 14:21, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > > At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > > > In another task where I wanted to quickly gene

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 4/3/25 02:41, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: AIs that are wise rather than idiot-savants ought to be useful, in the way sci-fi writers imagine. However, statistical systems can't surpass their training, and their training contains flaws - many, in the case of uncurated internet grabs. And the

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 4/3/25 16:37, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/3/25 14:21, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 10:22 PM 4/1/2025, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: In another task where I wanted to quickly generate a text-based profile of a computer's specifications and components, it was very helpful in writin

[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!

2025-04-03 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
Yes. I should have said 'any honest justification' But if we can expect only dishonesty from their promoters, there's no future for them. On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 11:31 AM Doc Shipley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 4/3/25 02:41, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: > > AIs that are wis

[cctalk] Altair BASIC Source Code released

2025-04-03 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
I wonder if this helped start the microcomputer revolution, OS-side, or was this a re-hash of what already was available? It's a historical event as per se but much more than that I'm not sure! Happy computing! Murray 🙂