On Tue, 23 Jan 2024, Graham Toal wrote:
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 3:05?PM Wayne S wrote:
Can?t the pack be read and copied on the system it?s currently on?
It's not been near a computer since 1979. It's currently in Fred van
Kempen's storage.
And why send it to the US instead of finding someo
Hello,
I'm looking for a keyboard to use with an IBM 3290-1 terminal (DB25
connector). IBM part number 6016730 or similar.
Regards,
Andrew
Sorry I don't have a lead on a keyboard for you, but man, I can still hear the
beautiful music of those tiger screens updating...
- David
I know nothing of what they're referring to, but just in case someone is
interested:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1033559851065048
--
Anders Nelson
www.andersknelson.com
Really the only thing I can identify in those photographs is some version of an
IBM 3776 terminal. It’s in Morristown, NJ. The computer itself is probably an
AS/400 that was originally purchased to replace a System/38 (at least that’s
the only way I see “IBM 38” making any sense).
I think tha
> On Jan 24, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk
> wrote:
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> I think that this is an AS/400e 9406 Model 170 Server, from about 1998.
I concur with this identification.
ok
bear.
The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
Happy computing!
Murray 🙂
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:53 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
> Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
> help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
>
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
Although they still needed help, the Mac
> On 25 Jan 2024, at 08:21, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:53 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
>> Not sure that it really changed computing though! Fina
I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely has a much better idea
and context about what caused the Birth of the Mac. That story of "stolen from
PARC" IMHO is just weak writing back when the Internet didn't have the info it
has today which gives full context over what was going on.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:04 PM Andrew Diller via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely has a much better
> idea and context about what caused the Birth of the Mac. That story of
> "stolen from PARC" IMHO is just weak writing back when th
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:04 PM Andrew Diller wrote:
> I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely
>
Hardly a unique situation. Often the story that persists in the mainstream
isn't the most accurate.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:16 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
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> But basically, Jobs never stole anything. He was pretty much invited to
> take a look, and then entered into some sort of exclusivity deal (I may be
> wrong about this detail) to use Xerox tech. Xerox u
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 02:16:44 PM PST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
[...]
> But basically, Jobs never stole anything. He was pretty much invited to
> take a look, and then entered into some sort of exclusivity deal (I may be
> wrong about this detail) to use Xerox tech. Xer
You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac. It
just came out today or it just about to be released. We should all support
our fellow vintage computer historians, I know he put a lot of time into
it. David has been writing about the Mac's significance before Wikipedia
ev
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:58 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac.
>
Sounds good except it's not about the Mac. It's called "Before Macintosh:
The Apple Lisa documentary"
It just happens to be (finally)
LoL oops. Strike my comment!
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:09 PM Tony Jones via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:58 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac.
> >
>
> Sounds good except it's not abo
I know a great deal of writings by techno-historians, computer-industry
experts and technology enthusiasts concerning the Apple Mac, and now 40
years old, have covered this topic both on and off the net. Unlike
originally stated I now feel that the MAC was an important change agent in
regards to t
Well, if you compare a complete Mac, with a complete PC, including
comparable hardware and software, they actually came out close to even!
BUT, if you compare a complete Mac with an absolutley bare 5150PC, and
shop for reasonable prices on RAM, drives, monitor, etc., with shareware
software and
Apple didn't "steal" anything because Xerox received a tranche of pre-IPO Apple
shares in exchange for allowing SJ and his folks to visit PARC for a bunch of
demos and do whatever they wanted with what they saw.
Nowadays you can also try out systems like Smalltalk-78, Xerox ViewPoint, etc.
as w
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:29 PM Chris Hanson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Apple didn't "steal" anything because
> .
>
I can't believe people still don't have a solid grasp of these things after
> 40 years of both journalism and academia covering them in rather exhaustive
> deta
David Greelish's upcoming documentary has interviews of the people involved
with the original project, and the subject of Xerox and all that is pretty
well covered. I got a preview of the documentary, wait for it to come
out.my Lisa is at 1hr13 mins in...This is an important documentary
becaus
and, of course, with anything that people caan get too close to, you will
get "blind men and the elephant" discrepancies between any two accounts of
the event.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 6:27 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
and we can all stop copy and pastin from wikipedia to act like we know what
> we're talking about.
>
You keep saying this. Why? It's rather childish. Most of my knowledge
comes from personal interest (I wro
and we can all stop copy and pastin from wikipedia to act like we know what
we're talking about.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
You keep saying this. Why? It's rather childish. Most of my knowledge
comes from personal interest (I wrote a Smalltalk VM in the late 80's),
f
I've been hunting for a while now for OAK PCB mount keyboard switches
that I can't find a part number for. I've attached a product listing for
the switch that shows it pretty well. DPST-NO preferred.
Only $0.40 in the early '70s!
Any quantity considered...
Thanks!
John :-#)#
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> On Jan 24, 2024, at 7:12 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> LoL oops. Strike my comment!
Maybe leave unstruck this part though!
> We should all support
> our fellow vintage computer historians, I know he put a lot of time into
> it.
I've seen parts of the documentary already, and i
On 2024/01/24 12:52 p.m., John Robertson via cctalk wrote:
I've been hunting for a while now for OAK PCB mount keyboard switches
that I can't find a part number for. I've attached a product listing
for the switch that shows it pretty well. DPST-NO preferred.
Only $0.40 in the early '70s!
Any
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