Help reading a 9 track tape

2021-07-30 Thread James Liu via cctalk
Hi, I have been lurking for a few years, but thought I'd finally speak up as I just received a 9 track tape purportedly containing the source code to Schoonschip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoonschip). This is a 2400' reel recorded at 1600 bpi based on the labels, and a cursory examination s

Skew vs. interleave

2021-07-30 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
There's a small discussion on S100computers about the terms 'skew' and 'interleave'. In CP/M documentation 'skew' refers to what's usually called interleave these days, i.e. offsetting sectors on a track to compensate for the fact that by the time the computer has processed a given sector the next

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk
> On Jul 29, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > A link I forgot to include that gives a flavor of how the tapes are used: > > https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED112083.pdf > > Curious thing is that was no take-up reel on the MT/ST; the 100 feet of > tape simply was ejec

Re: Skew vs. interleave

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: There's a small discussion on S100computers about the terms 'skew' and 'interleave'. In CP/M documentation 'skew' refers to what's usually called interleave these days, i.e. offsetting sectors on a track to compensate for the fact that by the time

Re: Skew vs. interleave

2021-07-30 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/30/21 2:35 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > There's a small discussion on S100computers about the terms 'skew' and > 'interleave'. > > In CP/M documentation 'skew' refers to what's usually called interleave > these days, i.e. offsetting sectors on a track to compensate for the fact > that b

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/30/21 3:56 PM, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote: > With all of the pet projects documented on the net (ranging from the esoteric > to the absurd) it’s interesting that no one has tackled this one yet. -C Not really--it's very old technology, (1964), of limited capacity (about 20 KB per tap

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Not really--it's very old technology, (1964), of limited capacity (about 20 KB per tape), was a hideously expensive way to buy a typewriter (about USD$7000 in 1964, or about USD$61,000 today), used almost exclusively in large corporate offices to

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/30/21 4:36 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Well, form letters are "important". > But, once microcomputer word processing matured, they could be done > easily and much better. > > An acquaintance was working on creating an emulation of the MT/ST, as a > way for those who were familiar with

Re: Skew vs. interleave

2021-07-30 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 30, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk > wrote: > > There's a small discussion on S100computers about the terms 'skew' and > 'interleave'. > > In CP/M documentation 'skew' refers to what's usually called interleave > these days, i.e. offsetting sectors on a track to compensate

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Yep. And, it was not appreciated when I suggested an interim release between the MT/ST emulator and "Full-ST" to be called "Half Full ST" On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, grif...@mindspring.com wrote: Scope Creep.. no telling how many projects died in stalled development. On Jul 30, 2021 16:36, Fred C

Re: Skew vs. interleave

2021-07-30 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Same here. I've spent many happy hours in 'the good old days' adjusting 'interleave' of ST512/406 MFM hard disks to find the optimum setting for a particular system/controller but had never even heard the term 'skew' until 5 or 6 years ago while playing with odd format diskettes, and then it was i

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2021-07-30 9:39 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: One of the shortcomings of the MT/ST when compared to word processors is the lack of a good "mailmerge" option. You could code a stop code on the tape, where the typewriter would allow for manual fill-in-the-blanks operation, but that ge

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
And here I've always thought of you as a pessimist who would have called it 'Half Empty ST'... On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:17 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Yep. > > And, it was not appreciated when I suggested an interim release between > the MT/ST emulator and "Full-ST" to be called "Half Ful

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I would think that an engineer would realize that the glass is neither half-full NOR half-empty; it is merely that the glass was spec'ed with the wrong size. Yes, I am too cynical to be in marketing. On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Mike Stein wrote: And here I've always thought of you as a pessimist

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/30/21 6:22 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > The MT/ST did pretty good for being a electro-mechanical device,all the > logic was relays in it.  I seem to recall many years ago one of the old > OP guys telling me that it write in stripes across the tape. It would > have to be some very simpl

LSSM quick update

2021-07-30 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
The A/C is in and running! Tomorrow and Sunday we reassemble the exhibit floor and clean up the mess, just in time for the 60-person group tour on Monday. -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Thanks to all who contributed to the new A/C!

Re: LSSM quick update

2021-07-30 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
That is fantastic, so fast to get it done. B On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 12:32 AM Mike Loewen via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >The A/C is in and running! Tomorrow and Sunday we reassemble the > exhibit floor and clean up the mess, just in time for the 60-person > group tour on Monda

Ian Hirschsohn - DISSPLA, Superset Inc. and sad news

2021-07-30 Thread Randy Dawson via cctalk
As some here know, I collect some dusty deck fortran graphics. We have MOVIE.BYU up and running! (Thanks Douglas Taylor and Emanuel Steibler). Ian built AMD 2901 bit slice hardware to run his graphics, it was called SuperSet, and was very quick for the 1980s. Architecture was 48 bit, A=B op C,