Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, parse and display. That might be true, but what sites still provide that service. A web novel app migh

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > >>Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? > > > >I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, > >parse and display. > > > That mi

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

On 04/29/2019 03:20 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: >>> Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? >> >> I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, >> parse and display. >> > That might be true, but

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

> >> Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? > > > > I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, > > parse and display. > > > That might be true, but what sites still provide that service. Funny you should ask. gopher://gopher.floodgap.

Re: Greetings

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:55 PM Ray Jewhurst via cctalk wrote: > I am new to the list and would like to introduce myself. I am a computer > history buff who especially likes DEC machines. Welcome. I started working with DEC machines for fun in 1982 and for money in 1984, so they have a dear plac

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

> From: Zane Healy > How safe is it to put modern rack rails (HP) in a classic DEC Rack? May I ask why you're doing that? Are you trying to mount modern units in an old rack? If you're trying to mount old units (RK05's, BA11's, etc) in an old rack, I've been working on finding old slide

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

There is a TCP/IP stack available for RT-11, although I've never tried it. It apparently works with both DEQNA and DELQA cards, and I suspect you've got one or the other in your 11/23. http://shop-pdp.net/rthtml/tcpip.php It is possible, but also very painful, to view websites using the telnet cl

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 6:14 PM Richard Cini via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > So, for playing around, what can I practically do with this? Is it even > possible to access any Web sites (unconventional browsing for sure; I’ve > read about telnetting to port 80)? I’m sure email is possib

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

I’ll have to see if I have the Gopher client installed on my disk image. If not I’ll install it and see how it goes. Great idea! Rich Get Outlook for iOS On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:25 AM -0400, "Cameron Kaiser via cctalk" wrote:

Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

Back in 1984 I had cloned a Logical Microcomputer Co. Genix system based on the Nat. Semi. 16032 chip set. I had a dd dump of the distribution on floppies, but that was unreadable. I just found a binder with about an inch of fanfold printouts of all the device drivers, low-level system routine

Re: Greetings

On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: > On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: >> I already have a Hobbyist License.  I am just interested in >> experimenting with different OSes and different versions of OSes. > > ACK > > I don't know what VAX hardware VMS 1.5 supported, what VAX

Re: Greetings

On 04/29/2019 06:47 AM, allison via cctech wrote: On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: I already have a Hobbyist License. I am just interested in experimenting with different OSes and different versions of OSes. ACK I don't know what

Re: Greetings

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 7:47 AM, allison via cctech wrote: > > On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: >> On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: >>> I already have a Hobbyist License. I am just interested in >>> experimenting with different OSes and different versions of OSes. >

Re: Greetings

On 4/29/19 12:45 PM, allison via cctech wrote: > On 04/29/2019 11:37 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >> On 04/29/2019 06:47 AM, allison via cctech wrote: >>> On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: > I already have a Hobbyist License.  I am just

Re: Greetings

On 04/29/2019 09:41 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 7:47 AM, allison via cctech >> wrote: >> >> On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: >>> On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: I already have a Hobbyist License. I am just interested in experimenting wi

Re: Greetings

On 04/29/2019 11:37 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/29/2019 06:47 AM, allison via cctech wrote: >> On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: >>> On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: I already have a Hobbyist License.  I am just interested in experimenting with different OSes

Re: Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

On 04/29/2019 09:30, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: I just found a binder with about an inch of fanfold printouts of all the device drivers, low-level system routines, boot loaders, etc in c source format. So, it might be tricky to scan and OCR it without training the OCR. Not sure anybody wou

Excessive amount of time in interrupt stack mode

Dear ccmp'ers: For a while now, I noticed that my vaxstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 7.2 had become sluggish, but I had not had the time to investigate the problem.   The system is mostly idle, RAM is mostly free (there's 32mb), there is almost no paging, but the CPU is spending upwards of 70%

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 7:18 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Zane Healy > >> How safe is it to put modern rack rails (HP) in a classic DEC Rack? > > May I ask why you're doing that? Are you trying to mount modern units > in an old rack? > > If you're trying to mount old units

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > My next question is, what options are there for putting a shelf in a standard > rack? My google-fu seems to be failing me. I’ve I’m going to put any > desktops in the rack, I’ll need a shelf or two, at a minimum. I d

Re: Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

On 04/29/2019 12:07 PM, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote: PS - If anybody's got ns32k hardware, I'm interested... ;) I have a complete, wire-wrapped clone of the Logical Microcomputer Co. 16032 system, except for memory and the MFM disk. So, that's the CPU on Multibus-I, a Taisho disk contr

Re: Excessive amount of time in interrupt stack mode

On 04/29/2019 12:11 PM, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk wrote: Dear ccmp'ers: For a while now, I noticed that my vaxstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 7.2 had become sluggish, but I had not had the time to investigate the problem. The system is mostly idle, RAM is mostly free (there's 32mb),

Re: Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

On 4/29/19 10:07 AM, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote: > PS - If anybody's got ns32k hardware, I'm interested... ;) Dig into some old laser printers. I had a Panasonic that used the 32016 with graphics enhancements. But then, I suspect that you're more interested in computers than printers...

Re: Excessive amount of time in interrupt stack mode

On 2019-04-29 13:11, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk wrote: > > Dear ccmp'ers: > > For a while now, I noticed that my vaxstation 4000/60 with OpenVMS 7.2 > had become sluggish, but I had not had the time to investigate the > problem.   The system is mostly idle, RAM is mostly free (there's 32

Re: Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

On 4/29/19 9:30 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Back in 1984 I had cloned a Logical Microcomputer Co. Genix system based on > the Nat. Semi. 16032 chip set.  I had a dd > dump of the distribution on floppies, but that was unreadable. > I just found a binder with about an inch of fanfold print

Unknown 1970 Tapedrive

Was given a tapedrive in rather bad condition, but it has no manufacturers name on it. Pics on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Tapedrive Anyone recognizes this ? The paddle PCB says "paddle board, 7/9 level tape handler." Not even sure if it is a computer tape drive or an instrument / data logger...

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> ... >> My next question is, what options are there for putting a shelf in a >> standard rack? My google-fu seems to be failing me. I’ve I’m going to put >> any deskt

Re: Unknown 1970 Tapedrive

On 4/29/19 12:25 PM, jos via cctalk wrote: > Was given a tapedrive in rather bad condition, but it has no > manufacturers name on it. > > Pics  on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Tapedrive > > > Anyone recognizes this ? The paddle PCB says "paddle board, 7/9 level > tape handler." > > Not even sure if it

Re: Unknown 1970 Tapedrive

What's the date on the paddle board? Could almost be a key-to-tape drive. --Chuck 1970, also all TTL is dated 1969 or 1970. Jos

Re: Unknown 1970 Tapedrive

On 4/29/19 12:56 PM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote: > > 1970, also all TTL is dated 1969 or 1970. > > Jos That would fit right in with a key-tape scheme. Can you tell if the capstan motor is a stepper? --Chuck

Re: Unknown 1970 Tapedrive

On 4/29/19 12:25 PM, jos via cctalk wrote: > Anyone recognizes this ? have never seen anything like it, but given the labels are in english but there are european electrolytics, I'm guessing it was made in the UK

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 1:37 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > > On Apr 29, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Paul Koning > wrote: > > > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> My next question is, what options are there for putting a shelf i

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > While it might not be useful for all applications, I've gone down to the > hardware store and purchased "angle iron" and cut it to length. I then drill > a whole through it in a couple of places and bolt it to the rack. It's not as > nice

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:05 PM Zane Healy wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > While it might not be useful for all applications, I've gone down to the > hardware store and purchased "angle iron" and cut it to length. I then > drill a whole through it in a couple of pl

Re: Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

While this isn't specific to 16032, it is somewhat related. A year and a half ago, someone found the Gerber files for Scolaro's PC532 Baby AT motherboard. I back-annotated them into Eagle (I don't use KiCad) where they could be edited. The ground fill from the Gerbers was replaced with gr

Re: Modern Rack Rails in Classic Racks?

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:05 PM Zane Healy > wrote: > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Warner Losh > > wrote: >> >> While it might not be useful for all applications, I've gone down to the

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

> I'll have to see if I have the Gopher client installed on my disk image. > If not I'll install it and see how it goes. Great idea! The nice thing about Gopher is that even if you don't, the protocol is so trivial to speak and parse menus that you could probably bang a simple client out in an aft

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

Ok, that's good to know. Thanks. On 4/29/19, 8:29 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Cameron Kaiser via cctalk" wrote: > I'll have to see if I have the Gopher client installed on my disk image. > If not I'll install it and see how it goes. Great idea! The nice thing about Gopher is that

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

I've been thinking it would be neat (strange?) to have HTTP client/server running over DECnet instead of TCP. Object number would be 80, of course. On Ultrix it seems this should be quite easy, given that it has "stream mode" DECnet sockets that act very much like TCP streams. paul

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > I've been thinking it would be neat (strange?) to have HTTP client/server > running over DECnet instead of TCP. Object number would be 80, of course. > > On Ultrix it seems this should be quite easy, given that it has "strea

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

On 4/29/19 6:47 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: I want to say that the OSU webserver for VMS supports running over DECnet, but my memory could be faulty. I’ve only used WASD on VMS. I think this sounds like a neat ~> fun thing to do. But how does a web server run over DECnet? I guess concept

Q Bus front panel

I thought about it.. but.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133019966845

Re: Sun SS2 SBus memory expansion parts

You can make the cable out of a section of ribbon cable and DuPont/FCI/whoever-owns-it-now Mini-Latch PV connector housings, I made that up for one of my SS2s. Note that it'll interfere with the top closing on a SPARCstation IPX, if you put the board in the slot closest to the memory expansion sock

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

If you get 2.11BSD up and going (which would require a CPU upgrade, it won't run on the F11, needs split I+D), you can run a *native* IRC client! One of the guys on #vc has written a minimalist IRC client that compiles and runs on 2.11BSD on the PDP-11. AFAIK, there was no TCP/IP stack for the BSD

Re: Nat Semi 16032 info discovered

On 04/29/2019 02:23 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 4/29/19 9:30 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Back in 1984 I had cloned a Logical Microcomputer Co. Genix system based on the Nat. Semi. 16032 chip set. I had a dd dump of the distribution on floppies, but that was unreadable. I just found

Re: Unknown 1970 Tapedrive

On 04/29/2019 02:25 PM, jos via cctalk wrote: Was given a tapedrive in rather bad condition, but it has no manufacturers name on it. Pics on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Tapedrive Anyone recognizes this ? The paddle PCB says "paddle board, 7/9 level tape handler." Not even sure if it is a compute

Newest Batch of Items from Sellam's VWoCW Just Posted

Good Monday Evening (or Tuesday Morning if you are beyond the International Dateline)! Here is the latest batch of computers and boards and peripherals and things that I've carefully curated for your consideration and consumption from my collection: Homebrew Small Form Factor S-100 System Indus G

Re: Greetings

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:44 PM allison via cctech wrote: > On 04/29/2019 11:37 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 04/29/2019 06:47 AM, allison via cctech wrote: > >> On 04/28/2019 09:28 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: > >>> On 4/28/19 6:27 PM, Ray Jewhurst wrote: > I already have a Hobbyist Lic