Re: tu58fs - PDP-11 file sharing with TU58 tape emulator

2017-01-24 Thread Jörg Hoppe
Hmmm, anyone out there who understands FreeBSD termios(4) . Can't believe that FreeBSD has no baudrate > 38400 ! Joerg On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Jörg Hoppe wrote: If you like to have a look (and play beta tester): Docs on http://retrocmp.com/tools/tu58fs C sources and makefile on htt

Compaq foam rot keyboard SOLVED

2017-01-24 Thread Randy Dawson
I posted yesterday about my attempt to weld a IBM PC keyboard to my Compaq model 1 - the 'luggable'. Well, it did not work, even though I saw clock and data on both Compaq and IBM keyboards that looked the same. I did not dig into the decoding, but somehow they are different. OK so I alread

Re: Transformer part ID please

2017-01-24 Thread Adrian Graham
On 24/01/2017 06:06, "Tony Duell" wrote: >> >> and it's 0.6ohm max. > > Are you telling me that if you put 2 logic analyser inputs on 2 points on the > same trace (which tests as continuous with an ohmmeter) that said 2 LA > channels don't show the same thing? If so, the LA needs repairing! ..

Re: tu58fs - PDP-11 file sharing with TU58 tape emulator

2017-01-24 Thread Mouse
> Can't believe that FreeBSD has no baudrate > 38400 ! >> serial.c:443:44: error: use of undeclared identifier 'B300' >> serial.c:444:16: error: use of undeclared identifier 'B250' >> serial.c:445:16: error: use of undeclared identifier 'B200' At least some systems don't use B con

recursive emulation (was: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference)

2017-01-24 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
Chuck Guzis asked on Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:00:15 -0800 > Is there a "recursive" emulator setup wherein one machine emulates > another one...where the final emulation is for the original hardware? In 1988 I designed an ARM2 based computer (my Merlin 4, which was only built in 1992 when the ARM2 was a

ISO Altos 586 firmware

2017-01-24 Thread Al Kossow
I've been working on documenting the hardware in the early Altos x86 machines and it would be nice to find a copy of the eproms from a 586. I tried asking Dave Dunfield about this, but never got a reply. Has anyone heard anything from him lately? I know Eric Smith was trying to contact him a few

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Toby Thain
On 2017-01-24 2:46 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: Chuck Guzis asked on Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:00:15 -0800 Is there a "recursive" emulator setup wherein one machine emulates another one...where the final emulation is for the original hardware? In 1988 I designed an ARM2 based computer (my Merlin 4

Re: recursive emulation (was: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference)

2017-01-24 Thread Paul Koning
> Chuck Guzis asked on Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:00:15 -0800 >> Is there a "recursive" emulator setup wherein one machine emulates >> another one...where the final emulation is for the original hardware? An example where that could be useful is in validating an emulation. I did that recently: running

Re: Compaq foam rot keyboard SOLVED

2017-01-24 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/24/17 12:24 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: > take a look in you junk bin for a IBM PC compatible keyboard, it worked for > me. > The BTC 5339R is a bit more common on eBay and is foam and foil https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77030.msg1935636#msg1935636 I didn't see it anywhere on geekhack,

RE: Compaq foam rot keyboard SOLVED

2017-01-24 Thread Electronics Plus
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:16 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Compaq foam rot keyboard SOLVED On 1/24/17 12:24 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: > take a look in you junk bin for a IBM

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 24/01/2017 16:46, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: In 1988 I designed an ARM2 based computer (my Merlin 4, which was only built in 1992 when the ARM2 was already obsolete) and wondered if it could emulate a PC fast enough to be usable. I had written an ARM assembler and a friend did an ARM emulator

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/23/2017 11:46 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: Bob Bener has written a short squib about how the 7070 came into being: http://www.bobbemer.com/BIRTH.HTM Funny, in a tragic way. WOW! But, at the end, he says the 707x is a 6-bit machine. It seems, in fact, that the 707x was a WORD machine, not a

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/24/2017 12:00 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 01/23/2017 09:42 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 01/23/2017 07:45 PM, Jon Elson wrote: This blog seems to indicate that there is NO 7074, but an emulator running on 370 hardware. http://nikhilism.com/post/2016/systems-we-love/ This makes a lot more sense,

Re: tu58fs - PDP-11 file sharing with TU58 tape emulator

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/24/2017 01:33 AM, Jörg Hoppe wrote: Hmmm, anyone out there who understands FreeBSD termios(4) . Can't believe that FreeBSD has no baudrate > 38400 ! Hmmm, I use minicom all the time at 115200 baud. Depending on what actual serial hardware you have, this may be a hardware limit. If it

Re: Parallel computation

2017-01-24 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> >> On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Toby Thain wrote: >> >> On 2017-01-23 6:55 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: ... It's just that I bridle a bit when hearing the young 'uns ref

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 09:25 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > I wonder how late IBM still supported the 7074 microcode emulation? > And, of course, anybody could write a software-level emulation for > the 7074, in IBM or other hardware. One reason maybe to not run simh > on a PC is if the data comes in on old mag t

Re: tu58fs - PDP-11 file sharing with TU58 tape emulator

2017-01-24 Thread Jörg Hoppe
Am 24.01.2017 um 14:26 schrieb Mouse: Can't believe that FreeBSD has no baudrate > 38400 ! serial.c:443:44: error: use of undeclared identifier 'B300' serial.c:444:16: error: use of undeclared identifier 'B250' serial.c:445:16: error: use of undeclared identifier 'B200' At least som

Re: tu58fs - PDP-11 file sharing with TU58 tape emulator

2017-01-24 Thread Holm Tiffe
Jörg Hoppe wrote: > > Hmmm, anyone out there who understands FreeBSD termios(4) . > Can't believe that FreeBSD has no baudrate > 38400 ! > > Joerg termios.h:#include /usr/include/sys/_termios.h: [..] /* * Standard speeds */ #define B0 0 #define B50 50 #define B75 75 #define B11

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
Toby Thain wrote: > On 2017-01-24 2:46 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: > >[PC emulator on ARM emulator on PC] > > Was this a JIT emulator (like Apple's later versions of 68K emulation), > or a simple interpreter? It was a simple interpreter. I had been aware of the 1984 JIT implementation of Smal

Anyone have the service guide for a Sanyo VM4209 monitor?

2017-01-24 Thread Corey Cohen
I need the schematics. I'm not sure I trust all those "manual" sites on the web that want to sell you a PDF for $15. My monitor seems to be acting up. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Corey corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 24/01/2017 22:19, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: Pete Turnbull wrote: Interesting. You know that Acorn had a software PC emulator for the Archimedes called PCEmu, on sale in late 1987? I don't remember if I was aware of this at that time, but it is very likely and that could have been the ins

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 01:50 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote: >> Many people think Intel was stupid to have the 80186 be incompatible >> with the PC but they forget that this processor was practically finished >> by the time the PC came out and was launched just a few months later, We started getting samples of

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread dwight
They might have used the 80188. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Chuck Guzis Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 2:27:47 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: recursive emulation On 01/24/2017 01:50 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote: >> Man

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 03:05 PM, dwight wrote: > They might have used the 80188. Maybe, but the 80188 was even later than the 186. Given the integrated peripheral support on the 186, however, it probably wouldn't have economized much on the support circuitry to use an 8 bit BIU. --CHuck

Re: Anyone have the service guide for a Sanyo VM4209 monitor?

2017-01-24 Thread Santo Nucifora
Hi Corey, Is it possible that the Sanyo monitor is a rebadged Hitachi VM-909 monitor (or the other way around)? The Hitachi monitor user manual is only two pages, front and back but I also have schematic diagram for it too. The Hitachi monitor originally came as an option with the Polymorphic 88

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Somewhere along the line, Intel's much ballyhooed 432 platform quietly > sank under the waves (Micro-mainframe). It was a multi-chip set and > hideously expensive. > It actually wasn't *that* expensive. Well, the development system was hide

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 05:49 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > It actually wasn't *that* expensive. Well, the development system > was hideously expensive, but the chips weren't. The General Data > Processor (GDP, the "main" processor) was two chips, which together > cost about $100 in modest quantities, and the I

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Admittedly, this was before the 432 was released in any form, but I > recall "Fast Eddie" our Intel sales guy quoting us about $1K for a > chipset--this would have been about 1982. That was expensive in > anyone's book. > The 432 chips were

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/24/2017 12:38 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: Was the 7070 IBM's first machine with a wire-wrapped backplane? --Chuck No, all SMS machines used similar wire wrapping. So, I think that goes back to the 7030 (Stretch) and probably 1620, 1401 and others of that time. I'm pretty sure those preceded

Re: recursive emulation

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 06:13 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > The 432 chips were sampling in early 1981, and in limited production > in mid-to-late 1981. (They were never in more than limited > production.) They weren't $1000 even then. Your salesman was either > including the cost of a lot of other components he

Re: Anyone have the service guide for a Sanyo VM4209 monitor?

2017-01-24 Thread Santo Nucifora
Never mind. I took a picture of the internals of both and they are NOT at all the same, unfortunately. http://vintagecomputer.ca/sanyo-vm-4209-vs-hitachi-vm-909/ Good luck in finding the Sanyo schematics. I'd love to have a copy myself. Santo On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Santo Nucifora w

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 06:37 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 01/24/2017 12:38 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Was the 7070 IBM's first machine with a wire-wrapped backplane? >> --Chuck > No, all SMS machines used similar wire wrapping. So, I think that > goes back to the 7030 (Stretch) and probably 1620, 1401 and othe

Re: Anyone have the service guide for a Sanyo VM4209 monitor?

2017-01-24 Thread ethan
Never mind. I took a picture of the internals of both and they are NOT at all the same, unfortunately. http://vintagecomputer.ca/sanyo-vm-4209-vs-hitachi-vm-909/ Good luck in finding the Sanyo schematics. I'd love to have a copy myself. Santo Step #1. Replace all electrolytics? -- Ethan O'To

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/24/2017 08:57 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 01/24/2017 06:37 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 01/24/2017 12:38 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: Was the 7070 IBM's first machine with a wire-wrapped backplane? --Chuck No, all SMS machines used similar wire wrapping. So, I think that goes back to the 7030 (Stret

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 07:55 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Well, they were all built using SMS card technology, and a few > pictures seem to show very similar backplane setup. I didn't know the > 7070 was the first of that generation. While the first 7030 was > delivered after the 7070, development of the Stretc

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/24/2017 11:14 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: Given that the whole SMS thing was the common denominator among the 7000 and 1400 and 1620 lines, it's hard to say who was first. But the 7070 was first delivered. --Chuck Which is damned amazing, as the 7070 was a VERY ambitious machine. 30,000 trans

Re: IBM 7074 and then some: "Systems we love" conference

2017-01-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/24/2017 10:01 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > And, the 7074 was a serious computer, given the vintage. Either 4 or > 6 us core cycle time was QUITE good in 1961 or so. 10 us > instruction execution time was pretty decent. I find the whole period amazing. Consider that the 709 was introduced in m

PDP-11: BC11-A cable dress between cabinets

2017-01-24 Thread Fritz Mueller
Hey folks, I've gotten to the part of a PDP-11/45 restore I’ve been working on where I need to run a Unibus cable between the CPU box in one rack and an RK11-C controller at the top of the next rack over. I'm a bit puzzled about how best to run the bus cable to keep it out of harm's way, e.g. g