>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 3:33 pm, TeoZ wrote:
>>
>>
>> Most 840av's these days have bad motherboards from leaking capacitors
>> and the plastics break if you sneeze too hard close to them.
>>
>
> Yes, I just gave away my 840av. It was working (and looking) fine a
> couple of years ago, but when I
On 7/17/16 7:57 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:
> If a critical piece of Mac OS code crossed their path, SheepShaver would be
> their only option.
>
Or MAME
I've been working with them a lot to correctly implement the I/O ASICs
On 7/18/16 12:38 AM, N0body H0me wrote:
>The 88k should have
> been in RISC-based Mac's. But of course, the 88k's absence was not really
> Apple's fault, either. Just another example of 'what could have been'.
>
I worked on Apple's 88K Macs. You wouldn't have liked them.
> > The 88k should have
> > been in RISC-based Mac's. But of course, the 88k's absence was not really
> > Apple's fault, either. Just another example of 'what could have been'.
>
> I worked on Apple's 88K Macs. You wouldn't have liked them.
What were some of their issues?
--
On 7/18/16 7:39 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> What were some of their issues?
>
The two big ones were a new, incompatible expansion bus interface (BLT)
and that it was going to run Pink.
"Shiner" started out as an 88110 machine, and some of the architectural
quirks are remnants of that.
Going
> > What were some of their issues?
>
> The two big ones were a new, incompatible expansion bus interface (BLT)
> and that it was going to run Pink.
>
> "Shiner" started out as an 88110 machine, and some of the architectural
> quirks are remnants of that.
That is extremely interesting -- was tha
nice system
www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
I've never heard of a KT11-B
hopefully whoever gets it will scan the unique parts of the documentation
> On Jul 18, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> nice system
> www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
>
> I've never heard of a KT11-B
I hadn't either. But I see it mentioned in the December 1975 option-module
list (on Bitsavers), page 87. It's shown as "CSS" (Computer Special Systems),
product
On 17 July 2016 at 19:33, Jerry Kemp wrote:
> windows 95 - yea, even bill gates stated that windows 95 was the pinnacle.
Er, what? When?
> ease of installation - maybe due to the fact that the bulk, if not all of us
> here are experienced users, I've never understood the belly-aching
> concernin
On 17 July 2016 at 20:54, Peter Corlett wrote:
> I think it should be quite obvious from the prices why the Amiga 2000 didn't
> ship with a 68020 as standard.
Exactly so.
This is part of the brilliance of the Archimedes, AIUI. In detailed
technical ways I confess I do not fully understand, the
On 17 July 2016 at 21:07, David Brownlee wrote:
> On 17 July 2016 at 16:09, Liam Proven wrote:
>> In 1987 or so, the early Archimedes like the A305 and A310 came with
>> ST-506 controllers and 20-40MB Conner drives. The expensive
>> workstation-class models -- Dick mentions having an A500, but th
On 16 July 2016 at 09:05, Austin Pass wrote:
> What is it about the Quadra 840 that makes it such a hot shot? I've seen a
> few over the last few years, but all fetch £150+
AIUI it was the fastest ever 68K Mac (in stock form; others can be
overclocked, as has been noted in this thread).
Howev
On 16 July 2016 at 07:05, N0body H0me wrote:
> If I wanted the "all in one" experience, I would get the
> SE/30. Once again, these are kinda pricey.
Indeed.
I've seen an argument that the "ultimate" classic Mac experience --
before the colour machines and so on -- would be a maxed-out SE/3
On 18 July 2016 at 17:03, Al Kossow wrote:
> "Shiner" started out as an 88110 machine, and some of the architectural
> quirks are remnants of that.
This is not enough for me to Google. Could you clarify, please?
--
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Email: lpro...@ci
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Jason T wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
>> You could go with the modern times and get at VT220 cart / table
>>
>> www.ebay.com/itm/262486498646
>
> This is just the sort of ridiculous DECitem I probably don't have room
> for but will a
On 15 July 2016 at 22:29, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>> Reminds me of horrible compatibility glitches with OS X in the early
>> days. E.g. one of my clients had Blue & White G3s on a Windows NT 4
>> network. (Later they pensioned them off, bought G5s, and gave th
On 7/18/16 9:11 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 18 July 2016 at 17:03, Al Kossow wrote:
>> "Shiner" started out as an 88110 machine, and some of the architectural
>> quirks are remnants of that.
>
>
> This is not enough for me to Google. Could you clarify, please?
>
you won't find anything on th
"Shiner" shipped as the ANS with AIX
http://www.erik.co.uk/ans/
though that isn't what the original "Shiner" was at all.
On 7/18/16 10:10 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
> On 7/18/16 9:11 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 18 July 2016 at 17:03, Al Kossow wrote:
>>> "Shiner" started out as an 88110 machi
> From: Al Kossow
> nice system
> www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
Anyone want to guess how much it will go for?
Noel
> On 18 Jul 2016, at 18:10, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> you won't find anything on the web about any of this
...which is why this ClassicCMP'er just drew his chair closer and cracked out
the popcorn!
Finding this fascinating, Al. Any time you take to relay your Apple experiences
here is very much
you won't find anything on the web about any of this
now you have our attention!
Grabbing the popcorn... :)
Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
Em 18/07/2016 14:27, "Fred Cisin" escreveu:
> you won't find anything on the web about any of this
>>
>
> now you have our attention!
>
>
>
>
Give me a while to collect what I have together. I haven't looked at what paper
documents i still have since the
early 90s. I need to do this since someone I worked with then saved some
prototype 88k CPU boards that I need to give to
CHM. I only know of one 88100 si that survived into this centu
Like. Want.
My guess since its pick up only is the teens. But you never know on eBay.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> From: Al Kossow
>
>> nice system
>> www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
>
> Anyone want to guess how much it will go for?
>
>Noel
apples support seems hosed...
Load of URL http://support.apple.com/index.html failed with error code
-310.
but from this page
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202888
there is a good guide.
--
this is my 1.1
Mac Pro ---MacPro1,1 --- MA35
On 7/18/16 10:49 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> Give me a while to collect what I have together.
My memory was fuzzy, BLT was a part of "Tesseract", PPC follow-on to
"Hurricane" 88110.
Tesseract became "TNT" ("The New Tesseract" aka the 9500) when Steve Manzer
ordered the
group to use PCI instead o
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262528352526?orig_cvip=true
>
> Someone bought that. Anyone here want to fess up as the buyer? If it
> was local and cheaper I might have grabbed it myself, even without
> having space to put it to use at the moment.
It were me what dunnit. Mea culpa for crimes of hoardi
$4850
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: Al Kossow
>
> > nice system
> > www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
>
> Anyone want to guess how much it will go for?
>
> Noel
>
On 18 July 2016 at 20:18, wrote:
Ed, *please* will you get a proper email client? They work fine with
AOL mail. I know, I am also liampro...@aol.com & have been for 20y!
>
> will not load curvet os because?
> "This is caused by the lack of the 64 bit EFI bios. The hardware of the
> Mac Pro
> -Original Message-
> From: a...@bitsavers.org
> Sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:41:10 -0700
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.
>
>
>
> On 7/18/16 12:38 AM, N0body H0me wrote:
> >The 88k should have
>> been in RISC-based Mac's. But of course, the
On 7/18/16 12:44 PM, N0body H0me wrote:
> I'm astounded. I didn't think any ever made it to prototype or hard-model
> stage! I've seen bare boards for these (up to this point) mythical
> beasts, but never a living, breathing machine. Must have been a piece
> of work. Do any functional machin
I recently got access to an orginal PDP-11/70 front console (the one in
magenta and rose), and also an 'Industrial' -11/70 (blue and red). Scans of
both of these front panels have been added to my PDP-11 stuff page:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/PDP-11_Stuff.html
My A3 scanner won't
Liam, thank you so much for this information!
I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there!
Good to hear that one system will use SATA drive > I will just have to
find some old installable OS for it.
The family of the deceased engineer that passed these on to us at the
SM
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
Liam, thank you so much for this information!
I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there!
If you've got an Intel cpu, you can run it with VMWare too. :)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of
25,000, Alexandria, Va.
Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
BTW, about the other nice system noted here, I was hoping the 11/20
would stay off the radar and not go for a zillion bucks, so much for
that idea. At least I have the means to go to Tucson and get it if I'm
nuts and
25,000, Alexandria, Va.
Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
Is that a dream price for such a system or realistic? I notice the
corrosion on the front key.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:58 PM, jim stephens wrote:
> 25,000, Alexandria, Va.
>
> Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
>
Yeah, that's a pleasant dream :). I'd have to sell my car and a couple of
vital organs first...
>
> BTW, about the other nice system noted here, I was hopin
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
>> 25,000, Alexandria, Va.
>> Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
>
> Is that a dream price for such a system or realistic?
Curious myself. They don't come up every day. The description says:
"Last turned on the lights worked but the memo
On 7/18/2016 11:10 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 7/18/16 9:11 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 18 July 2016 at 17:03, Al Kossow wrote:
"Shiner" started out as an 88110 machine, and some of the architectural
quirks are remnants of that.
This is not enough for me to Google. Could you clarify, please?
In a message dated 7/17/2016 9:45:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes:
> The HPIL thinkjet version was also used with the hp portable and hp
> portable pluslaptops.
> we have some of them in the SMECC here... butback when I was
CEO
> Com
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Jason T wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262528352526?orig_cvip=true
>>
>> Someone bought that. Anyone here want to fess up as the buyer? If it
>> was local and cheaper I might have grabbed it myself, even without
>> having space to put it to use at the moment.
>
I hauled the DEC + friends boards home earlier which I mentioned finding on
the list last week.
The "unknown" board I'd noted down as M7961 is actually M7951, which Google
suggests is a DUV11 interface board (whatever one of those may be ;-)
The board with the 128 mmc3764 ICs on it has what I
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Jules Richardson <
jules.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hauled the DEC + friends boards home earlier which I mentioned finding
> on the list last week.
>
> The "unknown" board I'd noted down as M7961 is actually M7951, which
> Google suggests is a DUV11 interfa
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Jules Richardson
wrote:
> I hauled the DEC + friends boards home earlier which I mentioned finding on
> the list last week.
>
> The "unknown" board I'd noted down as M7961 is actually M7951, which Google
> suggests is a DUV11 interface board (whatever one of those
On 7/18/2016 11:10 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> you won't find anything on the web about any of this
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, ben wrote:
> Can you enlighten the masses, or have you sold your soul to Lucifer
> for this knowlage?
Even worse! It was sold to Apple!
:-)
On 07/18/2016 05:48 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
The QD33 is an SMD controller, the QD21 is an ESDI controller. I'd wager
the TU03 is a Pertec-compatible tape controller. Nothing looks to be SCSI
to me, unfortunately...
Rats, I was leaning toward there not being any SCSI ones - the ones with 50
pi
On 7/18/2016 7:07 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:
I hear that the PSUs that went with the systems these boards came from
might still survive (they did as of last week, anyway), but the word
is that everything else - drives, racks, cables etc. - went to
landfill long ago.
Landfill? Or metals
Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty durable. The electronics around
it may fail but the core planes themselves seem robust. At least that's
been my experience. -- Ian
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
> >> 25,000, Alexandria,
On 7/18/2016 5:07 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:
Rats, I was leaning toward there not being any SCSI ones - the ones
with 50 pin connectors didn't seem to match anything I could find online.
Here is a Qbus Emulex UC07 image.
http://web.frainresearch.org:8080/projects/pdp-11/troy/images/uc07.jpg
On 07/18/2016 07:16 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
On 7/18/2016 7:07 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:
I hear that the PSUs that went with the systems these boards came from
might still survive (they did as of last week, anyway), but the word is
that everything else - drives, racks, cables etc. - went t
Our core in any of our classic 8 has never worked it didn't 30 years ago
either. .. just the thought of how many failed components yikes! .
something to procrastinate about.. but I hate to hack out buckets of
components. ...
Ed# www.smecc.org
Sent from my Ve
On Jul 18, 2016 2:30 PM, "Ian S. King" wrote:
>
> Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty durable. The electronics around
> it may fail but the core planes themselves seem robust. At least that's
> been my experience. -- Ian
There are known cases of IBM System/3 core that had failed beyond p
> -Original Message-
> From: a...@bitsavers.org
> Sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:59:44 -0700
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.
>
>
>
> On 7/18/16 12:44 PM, N0body H0me wrote:
>
>> I'm astounded. I didn't think any ever made it to prototype or
>>
Probably a question for Tony's encyclopedic knowledge. I just scored two HP
9825, one a later "T" option and one "B" version with all the fixings (i.e ROM
packs). They both seem to work save the usual tape drive which I have not
gotten to yet. Both have the flexible disc ROM. What kind of discs
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> In detailed
> technical ways I confess I do not fully understand, the ARM2 and its
> chipset's design was optimised to work with cheap DRAM with relatively
> slow cycle times.
I've seen this claim in the past. I've looked over the chipset desi
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Jules Richardson <
> jules.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I hauled the DEC + friends boards home earlier which I mentioned finding
>> on the list last week.
>>
>> The "unknown" board I'd noted down as M7961
> Probably a question for Tony's encyclopedic knowledge. I just
> scored two HP 9825, one a later "T" option and one "B" version
> with all the fixings (i.e ROM packs). They both seem to work
> save the usual tape drive which I have not gotten to yet. Both
> have the flexible disc ROM. What kind
There may be some archives here or vcf with enough prices. Iirc i thought i
remember one selling for something pretty high (8000/12000?) X years ago
although i think like this it's a calculated price of doubling the last sale
they saw. Although apple 1s seem to accomplish whatever that law is c
> "Shiner" shipped as the ANS with AIX
>
> http://www.erik.co.uk/ans/
>
> though that isn't what the original "Shiner" was at all.
Chuck Goulsbee talked about a prototype 601 in a Q950 case, but that
sounds like the ancestor to the WGS 9150, not the ANS. Was the
original "Shiner" that system, or
On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:06 PM, tony duell wrote:
>
>> Probably a question for Tony's encyclopedic knowledge. I just
>> scored two HP 9825, one a later "T" option and one "B" version
>> with all the fixings (i.e ROM packs). They both seem to work
>> save the usual tape drive which I have not gotte
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