> On 15 Jul 2016, at 14:41, Richard Loken wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
>
>>> Personally, given the mess of MultiNet, TCP/IP Services, and TCPWare,
>>> I wouldn't make that statement about networking *at all*.
>>
>> If you think of "networking" as being "IP-based networking", ye
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Richard Loken wrote:
> And I don't get this notion about lifting the network code out of Tru64
> since VAX/VMS had UCX (not my favourite network package) before the
> Alpha and associated OSF/1, Digital Unix, Tru64 Unix. The candidate for
> lifting code would be Ultrix whic
> DECnet might be totally integrated and awesome, but it's also
> proprietary, seldom used,
I think it is only semi-proprietary. I've seen open documentation that
at the time (I don't think I have it handy now) I thought was
sufficient to write an independent implementation, both for Ethernet
and
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Mouse wrote:
>
>> DECnet might be totally integrated and awesome, but it's also
>> proprietary, seldom used,
>
> I think it is only semi-proprietary. I've seen open documentation that
> at the time (I don't think I have it handy now) I thought was
> sufficient t
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Mouse wrote:
>
>> DECnet might be totally integrated and awesome, but it's also
>> proprietary, seldom used,
>
> ...
> However, IIRC it also has a fairly small hard limit on the number of
> hosts it supports. I don't remember exactly what the limit is;
> differe
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Richard Loken wrote:
>> And I don't get this notion about lifting the network code out of Tru64
>> since VAX/VMS had UCX (not my favourite network package) before the
>> Alpha and associated OSF/1, Digital Unix, Tru64 Unix
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> It was a huge deal in the late 80s and into the 90s. I was on both
> sides, so mostly, I watched.
This thread has definitely been the most civil discussion and set of
anecdotes I've seen when folks discuss VMS and Unix in the same thread. I
usually don
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> It was a huge deal in the late 80s and into the 90s. I was on both
>> sides, so mostly, I watched.
>
> This thread has definitely been the most civil discussion and set of
> anecdotes I've seen when
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> Indeed. As you've seen, I use both. No need to be all "Commodore vs
> Atari" about it. ;-)
Hehe, I forgot about that. Here I am liking both of those, now too. I
think I was playing with Hatari yesterday and eUAE last week !
> I mean vs ethernet-type
On 14 July 2016 at 23:51, Peter Coghlan wrote:
> What is it that "sucked" about the VMS command line? I used it a lot and I
> had some issues here and there but I found it to be streets ahead of any other
> command line system I came across on anything else anywhere.
>
> (Not that I think we shou
On 14 July 2016 at 22:51, Jerry Kemp wrote:
>
> I'm missing something here. Although most did/are using the Apple supplied
> GUI/Aqua, it wasn't a requirement.
>
> I have/run OpenWindows (compiled for OS X/PPC), and also, although mostly
> for fun, have a copy of the Mosaic web browser, also comp
On 14 July 2016 at 22:43, Mouse wrote:
> As for VMS HELP, I don't think the tool is all that much better; what
> is _much_ better is the documentation it contains. DEC documentation
> of the VMS era was _awesome_. Even today I rarely see it equaled,
> never mind bettered, in many ways.
HELP WO
On 14 July 2016 at 19:57, Mouse wrote:
> Personally - I went through my larval phase under it - I'd cite VMS as
> a counterexample. Even today I think a lot of OSes would do well to
> learn from it. (Not that I think it's perfect, of course. But I do
> think it did some things better than most
> > That said, it was easier (to me) to write full-on apps and utilities in
> > DCL than sh or csh.
>
> [...] Fortunately, most folks seem to
> agree and csh is pretty niche these days. That's not to say there aren't
> very enthusiastic users of csh, too.
*tcsh*, yes. I now find it very diffic
On 14 July 2016 at 19:34, Fred Cisin wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>>>
>>> meeting. I'm guessing I will never be a BMW fan or a NeXT bigot.
>>
>> Wouldn't know. I don't do cars. I like BMW bikes, though. Had an R80/7
>> with a sidecar for many years.
>
>
> I like BMW bikes, and
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
> On 14 July 2016 at 22:43, Mouse wrote:
>> As for VMS HELP, I don't think the tool is all that much better; what
>> is _much_ better is the documentation it contains. DEC documentation
>> of the VMS era was _awesome_. Even today I rarely s
On 15 July 2016 at 17:57, Paul Koning wrote:
> Not to mention "HELP ADVANCED WOMBAT".
:-)
I spent /hours/ reading that. At first I was looking around for the
hidden camera because I was convinced someone was playing a very
sophisticated practical joke on me at work...
> Actually, if you want to
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
> On 15 July 2016 at 17:57, Paul Koning wrote:
> ...
>> Actually, if you want to see really good online help -- vastly better even
>> than that of VMS -- take a look at PLATO. To become a PLATO programmer, all
>> you'd need was for the adm
search over. found one on eBay after finding a seller who was selling a NOS
2392 CRT
On 7/10/16 9:09 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> Also, I'd like to try to find an HP 2392 terminal
Anent PLATO discussions, that reminds me:
I discovered that I have a 360K (DSDD) floppy with (apparently) PLATO
client software on it probably from the mid 1980s. Is the image of
this of any interest to anyone?
--Chuck
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> Sounds great. I never saw a PLATO terminal. :-( Wish I had now!
I wish they'd had a few at schools I attended. I think someone on the list
mentioned that PLATO content could be viewed on Apple hardware, too. The
wikipedia article on it is very detailed.
On 14 July 2016 at 21:03, ben wrote:
> * Lets add a brain dead cpu and run DOS.
Oh, come on, for the time, it was OK.
DOS compatibility looked like it'd be a selling point, although it
didn't actually prove to be a big one AIUI.
The A2000 came out in '87, the same year as the 68030, so includin
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> ...
> Cool things about PLATO:
> * It had graphics, but ran on terminals!
> * It could do animations in the content
> * It supported speech synthesis. Blind folks want to play too!
> * Cool people were involved (NSF, Navy, Air Force, m
On 15 July 2016 at 00:39, Jerry Kemp wrote:
> I still judge OS/2 to be one of the better x86 options for the early and mid
> 1990's.
Oh, definitely, yes. It truly was "a better DOS than DOS and a better
Windows than Windows".
Then MS moved the goalposts and improved Windows and leapfrogged it -
On 14 July 2016 at 19:50, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> I have some foggy memory of Caldera using the "Digital Research" name, at
> least internally and on some documents. However, it's been a long time and
> the SCO-connected legacy left a terrible taste.
>
> You know the history well, obviously, after
On 14 July 2016 at 20:47, Chris Hanson wrote:
> And interestingly, these days IBM is a huge user of Macs… which these days
> use a derivative of the system architecture that IBM developed!
The PC CPU was from Intel, not IBM. Macs now use Intel CPUs.
But in the now-gone PowerPC era, yes, Macs u
On 14 July 2016 at 20:50, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> Everyone seems to forget about the work-alikes, such as TPM for the
> Epson QX-80.
True. And there was Pro DOS for the SAM Coupé:
http://www.samcoupe-pro-dos.co.uk/
ZCN for the Amstrad NC series:
https://www.ncus.org.uk/fnov00.htm
And probably ot
On 14 July 2016 at 22:50, Swift Griggs wrote:
> Strengths versus Unix:
> * More granular authentication/authorization system built in from very
>early days I'm told. "capabilities" style access control, too.
> * Great hardware error logging that generally tells you exactly what's
>wrong
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
Caldera didn't inherit source code for *all* the old DR products, e.g.
many of the apps, but it looked at what it had got, and the bits that
couldn't realistically be sold commercially any more, it open-sourced:
DR-DOS and PC GEM, mainly.
Caldera didn't g
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> But in the now-gone PowerPC era, yes, Macs used a derivative of the IBM
> POWER RISC processor line.
I always thought it was a shame that both IBM and Apple were so tight
around the pucker strings and never were more comfortable sharing their
OS's back
On 15 July 2016 at 07:24, wrote:
> As a comp sci student I loved using VMS on our 11/780s at Uni, from first
> year through final year where we also had the use of a Gould PN6080 UNIX mini.
> (Aside - the Gould had one good drive, one flaky. The OS and staff accounts
> were on one, student accoun
On 15 July 2016 at 07:37, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> I think TCP networking on VMS is a bit of a bodge, but back when I
> used it every day in the 1980s, we didn't _have_ any Ethernet
> interfaces in the entire company - *everything* we did was via sync
> and async serial. How well do you think it woul
On 15 July 2016 at 19:38, geneb wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> Caldera didn't inherit source code for *all* the old DR products, e.g.
>> many of the apps, but it looked at what it had got, and the bits that
>> couldn't realistically be sold commercially any more, it open-sou
On 15 July 2016 at 19:39, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>> But in the now-gone PowerPC era, yes, Macs used a derivative of the IBM
>> POWER RISC processor line.
>
> I always thought it was a shame that both IBM and Apple were so tight
> around the pucker strings and
On 15 July 2016 at 19:38, geneb wrote:
> Somewhere around here I've got an inventory of what was lost and it's a
> horror show. :(
While it springs to mind -- the other things that were lost that I
wish had got open-sourced were Quarterdeck's QEMM, DesqView and
DesqView/X. Symantec lost the sour
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>> But in the now-gone PowerPC era, yes, Macs used a derivative of the IBM
>> POWER RISC processor line.
>
> I always thought it was a shame that both IBM and Apple were so tight
> around the puck
On 07/15/2016 11:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> We don't appreciate how much faster modern PCs are than the old
> ones, because modern PC OSes are so appallingly slow and bloated.
Reminds me of a conversation that I had with Greg Mansfield back in the
mid-80s when he was working for Cray. I was gr
On 14 July 2016 at 19:42, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> I had forgot myself until I recently started messing with OS8.1 again.
Me too, until I restored a bunch of my Macs to sell them before I left the UK.
> Anecdotally, lately I've felt that 7.6 + Open Transport was a bit more
> stable than 8.1.
I'l
I guess I am glad that someone getting something positive from windows.
I have never viewed it as any more than a virus distribution system with a
poorly written GUI front end.
Jerry
On 07/15/16 12:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 15 July 2016 at 00:39, Jerry Kemp wrote:
I still judge OS/2 to
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 07/15/2016 11:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> We don't appreciate how much faster modern PCs are than the old
>> ones, because modern PC OSes are so appallingly slow and bloated.
>
> Reminds me of a conversation that I had with Greg Mans
I'm toying with putting the "ultimate" classic Mac together, although I'm
having a little difficulty pinning down the definition of what the ultimate
representation of the type is, so was looking for a little input from
Classic CMP'ers.
I'm aware that there's a clear divide between Motorola and Po
On 07/15/2016 11:52 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
>
> P.S. A full build for the board I work on (OS and creating the boot
> image) for work takes < 1 hour. The firmware I’m working on takes
> just 2-3 seconds to build! This is on a PC with a 3.2GHz Skylake i7
> with SSDs. ;-)
The problem is th
On 7/15/16 12:03 PM, Austin Pass wrote:
> I have a lovely mirror-door G4 PowerMac I'm intending
> to use.
bad idea.
Mirror door G4's were the least reliable machines we released.
Too many compromises getting to a GHz, esp WRT noise and heat.
I personally like Beige G3's, or mid-life G4's for d
I have a "pinstripe" grey G4 PowerMac with (if memory serves) a 400Mhz CPU -
would this be a safer bet?
Is there any way to underclock the 1.25Ghz CPU's in the mirror door for
improved reliability in the mirror door?
We used the MD PowerMac as an OS X 10.3 server running Macintosh Manager
cate
On 7/15/16 12:58 PM, Austin Pass wrote:
> I have a "pinstripe" grey G4 PowerMac with (if memory serves) a 400Mhz CPU -
> would this be a safer bet?
>
Yes, that or a slightly faster one. I like the ones where we went with gigabit
ethernet (2nd gen G4?)
> Is there any way to underclock the 1.2
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> Reminds me of horrible compatibility glitches with OS X in the early
> days. E.g. one of my clients had Blue & White G3s on a Windows NT 4
> network. (Later they pensioned them off, bought G5s, and gave the B&Ws
> to me! :-) )
Woot! The benefits of work
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
Caldera didn't get the sources because much of it was lost when the archive
in Monterey, CA flooded. Somewhere around here I've got an inventory of
what was lost and it's a horror show. :(
A... I would both like to see that, and not to see it, IYSWI
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
> P.S. A full build for the board I work on (OS and creating the boot
> image) for work takes < 1 hour. The firmware I?m working on takes just
> 2-3 seconds to build! This is on a PC with a 3.2GHz Skylake i7 with
> SSDs. ;-)
Also, cross-compilers
On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Austin Pass wrote:
….
> Mr Kaiser - is Clasilla still maintained?
….
Yup:
http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/
Have not used it, but I am up-to-date on a G3 (iMac) and a G4
(PowerBook) with TenFourFox and use them regularly.
http://www.flo
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
On 15 July 2016 at 19:38, geneb wrote:
Somewhere around here I've got an inventory of what was lost and it's a
horror show. :(
While it springs to mind -- the other things that were lost that I
wish had got open-sourced were Quarterdeck's QEMM, DesqVi
Anecdotally, this may be the case. I ran my dual 1.25 MDD for six or seven
years without a single hardware failure. It's probably still fine, but I
haven't tried to turn it on since I upgraded to a Mac Pro (geez, eight years
ago).
ok
bear.
--
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 13:15,
> Also, cross-compilers are so f'ing wonderful for targeting old or
> embedded systems, nowadays too. NetBSD's ability to cross compile
> binaries for completely alien systems is just awesome.
But it comes at a price. NetBSD/vax, for example, has trouble
self-hosting, and nobody knows why, becau
> On 15 Jul 2016, at 21:15, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 7/15/16 12:58 PM, Austin Pass wrote:
>> I have a "pinstripe" grey G4 PowerMac with (if memory serves) a 400Mhz CPU -
>> would this be a safer bet?
>
> Yes, that or a slightly faster one. I like the ones where we went with
> gigabit et
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Austin Pass wrote:
> I'm toying with putting the "ultimate" classic Mac together, although
> I'm having a little difficulty pinning down the definition of what the
> ultimate representation of the type is, so was looking for a little
> input from Classic CMP'ers.
I've recen
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
> But it comes at a price. NetBSD/vax, for example, has trouble
> self-hosting, and nobody knows why, because it shows up only in native
> builds.
Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. I've only used it in the context of other
platforms and variants.
> Nobody knows w
On Jul 15, 2016 10:01 AM, "devin davison" wrote:
>
> Are the caddys specific to that drive or pretty standard? I picked up a
> stack of caddys recently, if you can get me a reference picture i can see
> if any of them are the same.
>
> --Devin
They are specific to that drive, which is a* Laser Ma
Are the caddys specific to that drive or pretty standard? I picked up a
stack of caddys recently, if you can get me a reference picture i can see
if any of them are the same.
--Devin
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Peter Coghlan
wrote:
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > The DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive requi
I went thru this exercise myself a couple of years back. Even kicked off a
thread on a Mac email list.
I don't/didn't have any experience or background with the Mac on the 68K, so
that didn't come into my decision making.
I ultimately decided that I didn't need the fastest/biggest/most memor
>> NetBSD/vax, for example, has trouble self-hosting, and nobody knows
>> why, because it shows up only in native builds.
> Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. I've only used it in the context of
> other platforms and variants.
I'm sure there are lots of triples it works just
fine for. I just don't kn
>> I'm not sure I agree. The VMS command line I used sucked, but so
>> did Unix shells of the time, and in many of the same ways.
> What is it that "sucked" about the VMS command line?
I'm sure there were many, mostly small ones. Here are the ones big
enough for me to remember after this many ye
On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> * It had graphics, but ran on terminals!
Graphics terminals were a thing that existed. It wasn’t just PLATO that used
them.
-- Chris
On 14 July 2016 at 20:47, Chris Hanson wrote:
> And interestingly, these days IBM is a huge user of Macs… which these days
> use a derivative of the system architecture that IBM developed!
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> The PC CPU was from Intel, not IBM. Macs now use In
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:08:40AM -0400, Mouse wrote:
> > DECnet might be totally integrated and awesome, but it's also
> > proprietary, seldom used,
>
> I think it is only semi-proprietary. I've seen open documentation that
> at the time (I don't think I have it handy now) I thought was
> suffi
On 7/15/2016 12:15 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 07/15/2016 11:52 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
P.S. A full build for the board I work on (OS and creating the boot
image) for work takes < 1 hour. The firmware I’m working on takes
just 2-3 seconds to build! This is on a PC with a 3.2GHz Skylake i
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
>
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>>
>> * It had graphics, but ran on terminals!
>
> Graphics terminals were a thing that existed. It wasn’t just PLATO that used
> them.
Graphics terminals were quite rare in the early 1
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:08:40AM -0400, Mouse wrote:
>>> ...
>
> IP won over OSI *hualp* and whatever else insanity was out there because
> it a) works, b) is reasonably simply to implement (yes, I know, a full up,
> modern TCP/IP
On 07/15/2016 05:47 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Graphics terminals were quite rare in the early 1970s, at least at a
> cost allowing them to be installed in the hundreds, and with
> processing requirements low enough for that. I remember, around the
> same time, the Tektronix 4010. But that was far
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
> You could go with the modern times and get at VT220 cart / table
>
> www.ebay.com/itm/262486498646
This is just the sort of ridiculous DECitem I probably don't have room
for but will attempt to crowbar into my basement anyway. The price
isn't
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> I discovered that I have a 360K (DSDD) floppy with (apparently) PLATO
> client software on it probably from the mid 1980s. Is the image of
> this of any interest to anyone?
I vote "yes." Will host the image, too. What platform do you thin
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
> They are specific to that drive, which is a* Laser Magnetic Storage
> International* (LMSI) / Philips CM201 drive.
I can't imagine there are many of these caddy/tools left on the
planet. I have exactly one.
Sounds like a good project for so
Does anyone know off hand if a 11/83 cab kit will work as a 11/44 console? Both
are 20 bin ribbon cable connectors - minus the baud rate select stuff of
course. I have the 44 print set kit from bitsavers but being lazy prefer not
making a cable if I can avoid it.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
> I remember, around the same time, the Tektronix 4010. But that was
> far less flexible; it could only draw, not erase, unlike the PLATO terminals.
The 4010 can erase just fine. The problem is that it can't do
selective erase, only
full-screen
Hi All,
I noticed that the Multiflow race 14/300 system listed on eBay didn't sell
recently. I don't have any personal background with these machines but it
seems they could be both significant and rare? It's been sitting on eBay but
I wasn't sure if it had slipped between the cracks somehow? I've
On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>> I remember, around the same time, the Tektronix 4010. But that was
>> far less flexible; it could only draw, not erase, unlike the PLATO terminals.
>
> The 4010 can erase just fine. The pr
On 7/15/2016 9:29 PM, Jason T wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I discovered that I have a 360K (DSDD) floppy with (apparently) PLATO
client software on it probably from the mid 1980s. Is the image of
this of any interest to anyone?
I vote "yes." Will host the imag
Evidently, there is a kind soul with a project this weekend lacking a
cable (it's my fault), and I had hoped one might be available near he
could borrow.
Jim
--
Jim Brain
br...@jbrain.com
www.jbrain.com
On 07/15/2016 07:29 PM, Jason T wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Chuck Guzis
> wrote:
>> I discovered that I have a 360K (DSDD) floppy with (apparently)
>> PLATO client software on it probably from the mid 1980s. Is the
>> image of this of any interest to anyone?
>
> I vote "yes." Wi
If I had the time and money (mostly money) to do this, I
would settle for nothing less than a Quadra 840AV. Be
prepared to spend , though; the 840 is quickly approaching
'investment grade'.
If I wanted the "all in one" experience, I would get the
SE/30. Once again, these are kinda pricey
A Quadra 950 is also a decent machine if you want to fill it up with cards.
Most 840av's these days have bad motherboards from leaking capacitors and
the plastics break if you sneeze too hard close to them.
-Original Message-
From: N0body H0me
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 1:05 A
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Jim Brain wrote:
> I so wish I could find my copy of the PLATO client for the Commodore 64
> (yep, it actually existed, I did some of my Physics 107 labs on PLATO from
> my room with my C64 and my 2400 bps modem (333-1000, 217 area code, to get
> to the terminal s
On 7/16/2016 12:54 AM, Jason T wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Jim Brain wrote:
I so wish I could find my copy of the PLATO client for the Commodore 64
(yep, it actually existed, I did some of my Physics 107 labs on PLATO from
my room with my C64 and my 2400 bps modem (333-1000, 217 ar
> I'm toying with putting the "ultimate" classic Mac together, although I'm
> having a little difficulty pinning down the definition of what the ultimate
> representation of the type is, so was looking for a little input from
> Classic CMP'ers.
My "heavy duty" OS 9 rig is an dual 1.25GHz MDD that
> I've never seen a GigE card for OS 9. There is of course 100Mbit support.
> I would love to be proven wrong.
I have been proven wrong.
http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/gigabit-ethernet-for-macos-9-wireless-pc-cards-macos-9-compatible.html
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