Re: Calling all typographers

On 29/04/2016 17:18, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: ... If anybody has found or made or knows a download URL of any dec font it would help me of I could get hold of it. My version of the DEC font that's on those bezels and on older handbook covers

Panelman's adventures on the Fonteria.

Hi Guys Well I made it ! I now have the correct font for the address line in the masthead on PDP-8/e. As usual the combined wisdom of the list was the main source of answers. One point is that are in fact three different fonts in use. The one for the d i g i t a l name, one for

RE: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

Fortran has an EQUIVALENCE statement, COBOL has redefines. Both allows the subversion of types at the drop of a hat. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse > Sent: 30 April 2016 02:56 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: P

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 03:55:35PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Those who claim that there's not much difference between C and assembly > language have never run into a true CISC machine--or perhaps they rely > only on libraries someone else has written. Now wait a minute here. C is a very old lang

RE: Vaisala SPT11A reader (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Paul Birkel wrote: Thanks Erik; very helpful. For reference, mine also shares the same firmware revision. Can you share your source code as well? Upon request I added the firmware files to operate the SPT11A paper tape reader (together with the source code, V1.01, sdcc)

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

> On Apr 30, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > Now wait a minute here. C is a very old language. When it was first written > as a recursive descent compiler, compiler technology was very primitive. > K&R style code with primitive compilers pretty much resulted in high level > assembler. L

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

Many thanks Chris for all the interesting recollections! On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christian Kennedy wrote: internally was utterly unrelated to AOS/VS; it was the software effort that matched the Hawk/32 hardware effort (software was downstairs on the That sounds very interesting - although I do

Re: Forth and threading

"Jecel Assumpcao Jr." writes: >> I liked Forth when it was still threaded. You got the DOES> feature. >> Do you still have that with the FORTH chips? > All Forth implementations are threaded, but there are several kinds: > direct, indirect, token and subroutine. Not all. Many modern Forth compil

RE: Vaisala SPT11A reader (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

You bet. Thank you and good health! -Original Message- From: Erik Baigar [mailto:e...@baigar.de] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 9:34 AM To: Paul Birkel Cc: jwsm...@jwsss.com; cctalk@classiccmp.org; sherman...@att.net Subject: RE: Vaisala SPT11A reader (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > Now on that we furiously agree. One problem has been getting that through > to people who insist that C is still a high level assembler and has > not changed from the time when it was a hand crafted recursive descent > LR to the modern compiler

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:53:40AM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > Now on that we furiously agree. One problem has been getting that through > > to people who insist that C is still a high level assembler and has > > not changed from the time when

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Apr 30, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > We cannot use the same outdated ideas we used to use for 'C' > that we used 40 years ago today. Compilers have improved. > Know your tools. And that's all I have said. In support of this, I’d encourage everyone who works with C to read Chris

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:28:35PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote: > On Apr 30, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > > > We cannot use the same outdated ideas we used to use for 'C' > > that we used 40 years ago today. Compilers have improved. > > Know your tools. And that's all I have said. >

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

> In support of this, Iâ??d encourage everyone who works with C to read Chris $ > http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-should-know.html > http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-should-know_14.html > http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-shou

C on Transputer - was Re: Programming language failings

On 2016-04-30 2:43 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: ... Oddly, C is not a good fit for the Transputer. Can you be more specific? I had no problems programming Transputers in C. All the usual hardware facilities were available from C. The compiler was of high quality and I ported some large programs t

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On 04/30/2016 02:07 PM, Mouse wrote: > Reading this really gives me the impression that it's time to fork > C. There seems to me to be a need for two different languages, which > I might slightly inaccurately call the one C used to be and the one > it has become (and is becoming). I vividly reca

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Apr 30, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Mouse wrote: > > Reading this really gives me the impression that it's time to fork C. > There seems to me to be a need for two different languages, which I > might slightly inaccurately call the one C used to be and the one it > has become (and is becoming). > > Th

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 05:07:08PM -0400, Mouse wrote: > > In support of this, Iâ??d encourage everyone who works with C to read Chris > > $ > > > http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-should-know.html > > http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-should-know_14.

Re: Calling all typographers

At 10:39 ?pm +1000 2016/04/29, ste...@malikoff.com wrote: >I'm puzzled about the notion >of 'o' not being a perfect circle as I found it to be quite so, at least >on the masthead. When I did this originally I worked from document scans from Bitsavers, and became convinced from those that the bowls

Re: Calling all typographers

I think you have to look at things in the context of the time. There was little or no CAD and books were done with photo typesetters (very expensive) Each page was a kind of photograph called a bromide Non standard things like logos where also stored on a bromide. Quite often if you wanted t

OFF TOPIC!!! Any alumni of NYU here?

If so, can you please contact me off list? Thanks, Paul

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > On 04/30/2016 02:07 PM, Mouse wrote: > > > Reading this really gives me the impression that it's time to fork > > C. There seems to me to be a need for two different languages, which > > I might slightly inaccurately call the one C used to

Interfacing with HP-HIL

Has anyone used any modern hardware to interface with HP-HIL gear? (HIL is Human Interface Link, not to be confused with HP-IL.) I’d like to interface an HP 46085A Control Dial Box with my Mac via USB. But before I go any further in this—I’ve al

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:07:34AM -0700, geneb wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > [...] > > Just look into the political machinations of what was known as FidoNet to > >see how this could end up. > > > What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a > political shi

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]]

On Sun, 1 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:07:34AM -0700, geneb wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote: [...] Just look into the political machinations of what was known as FidoNet to see how this could end up. What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) an

VCF XI pictures

Excellent pictures from Vintage Computer Festival XI: Wht an ENIAC? Vintage-vintage I guess! http://enews.techrepublic.com/ct/35098113:WumutjYmN:m:1:714261601:9FFAF36F522EBD59342CC54F8F85CF5D:r:100091154 Happy computing. Murray :)

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]]

That's interesting I had a FidoBBs back in 1983 No 33 Written by a guy called Tom Jennings in C. I had a BT modem type 2B (about the size of a small suitcase) I modified it to auto answer. In addition it would dial out at 03:00 to exchange mail at 300baud There was a version for DEC Rainbow

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]]

On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 05:05:31AM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: > He says I'll go and get the fork lift. Er no - not two pallets full - just > two boxes !! Great story. mcl

Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]]

On 2016-Apr-30, at 9:05 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > That's interesting I had a FidoBBs back in 1983 No 33 > > Written by a guy called Tom Jennings in C. Tom was on this list, up until somewhere ~ mid-2000s AIR. http://sensitiveresearch.com/ http://worldpowersystems.com/ . . fro

Re: File systems expert for a news article (urgent)

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote: > >>Anyone here on cctalk consider themselves a file systems expert and have > >>the credentials or job title to vouch for it? If so, then I need to > >>interview you ASAP today (in the next hour-ish) for a TechRepublic.com > >>article. Contact me offline: