Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Quite a coincidence, Mattis showed me one of those just last week. Can't remember the system name though. A green terminal/micro computer combination. Perhaps Mattis will fill in the details. /P On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 06:21:29PM -0500, Jay West wrote: > I have two "flippy organizers" (that's

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Mattis Lind
söndag 18 oktober 2015 skrev dwight : > I think it was Wang that used the outside holes. > Dwight > > And the Incoterm intelligent terminals used them as well. http://www.datormuseum.se/peripherals/terminals/incoterm-spd-20-20 /Mattis > > Subject: Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (oute

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread Rick Murphy
At 01:22 PM 10/17/2015, David Gesswein wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:03:51PM -0400, Rick Murphy wrote: System users guide pg 4-10. Fortran IV. Real time functions and floating point processor functions are not currently supported. The internal device handlers for high speed reader/punch and

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-18 12:37, Rick Murphy wrote: At 01:22 PM 10/17/2015, David Gesswein wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:03:51PM -0400, Rick Murphy wrote: System users guide pg 4-10. Fortran IV. Real time functions and floating point processor functions are not currently supported. The internal device

Re: Atari Unix

2015-10-18 Thread Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare)
lör 2015-10-17 klockan 10:01 -0400 skrev et...@757.org: > I was always under the impression that a few of them made it out > there? > > I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has > a > VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board > installed. I > think

Re: Atari Unix

2015-10-18 Thread Stefan Skoglund (lokal
sön 2015-10-18 klockan 17:16 +0200 skrev Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare): > The specs makes me think that it is a bit more powerfull than a Sun > 3/80 (and 280 too.) > The ECL monitor reminds me about Sun Sun2/3/4:era bwtwo. > > About the same resolution. > > Remark: how much did a 1280x1024 ca

JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread Jules Richardson
OK, so it's sort-of computery. I snagged a JAMMA arcade board from a recycling pile a couple of days ago (this is an m68k-based early 90's board). Supposedly it's faulty, but I don't know the nature of the fault - maybe it's just RAM or a reset problem or something, so I figured I'd put a lit

Re: JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread Zane Healy
Google "Super-Gun", as that's how you typically hook one up outside of an arcade cabinet. I think most arcade cabinets use CGA monitors. BTW, it looks like Component video has made its way to Super-Guns (I was at the "Portland Retro Game Expo" yesterday). If nothing else, you'll need a JAMMA h

Re: JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread Jules Richardson
On 10/18/2015 10:41 AM, Zane Healy wrote: Google "Super-Gun", as that's how you typically hook one up outside of an arcade cabinet. Ah, totally overkill at this stage, though. I think most arcade cabinets use CGA monitors. My guess is that it's most likely all TV-rate signaling, and so the

Re: JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread Zane Healy
On Oct 18, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: > It came from an Aero Fighters cab - board says "IT-19-02" in the corner. I've > no idea if it was a one-off for this game or if other games used the same > board with different firmware. If you can get it working, it should be a fun game

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread Henk Gooijen
Thanks Rod, I feel stupid ... It would have been a simple check to see whether the floppy drive actually rotates the floppy [dumb, dumb, dumb]. I did transport the disk drive very carefully ... The trip was not bumpy, and most of it was on a (smooth) highway. Keeping fingers crossed. Checking th

RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU

2015-10-18 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Coghlan > Sent: 16 October 2015 23:45 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU > > > > > Thanks very much for this. Interesting

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/17/2015 3:16 PM, Henk Gooijen wrote: > I picked up the NOVA 4 last Thursday. I had help carrying all the stuff > (disassembled) downstairs from the attic. At home I had to unload the van > single-handed. Went well, although I felt my back that evening ... > > Today, I cleaned the rack, as al

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/18/2015 11:48 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote: > Thanks Rod, > > I feel stupid ... It would have been a simple check to see whether > the floppy drive actually rotates the floppy [dumb, dumb, dumb]. > I did transport the disk drive very carefully ... The trip was not > bumpy, and most of it was on a

RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU

2015-10-18 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, Robert Jarratt wrote: I had another go today, but I fail to see how you managed to pry this thing apart without causing much more damage than appears in your photo. What kind of tool did you use? My usual technique to deal with these sort of brick and wall-wart PSUs that

RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU

2015-10-18 Thread tony duell
> > I had another go today, but I fail to see how you managed to pry this > > thing apart without causing much more damage than appears in your photo. > > What kind of tool did you use? > > My usual technique to deal with these sort of brick and wall-wart PSUs > that are glued together is to car

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread R SMALLWOOD
Ok good I don't think the heads will load until the floppy disk is turning. If its a belt driven drive (most 8" drives were) replace the belt anyway. I have seen plenty of drives where the belt has become sticky and glued itself to one of the drive wheels. It tries to turn and bre

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Eric Smith
Did the disks for the original IBM 23FD "Minnow" floppy disk also have the sector/index hole near the edge, like the Memorex 650/651? The Minnow was used as a read-only device for loading microcode, and the disks were only factory written. I haven't seen an actual Minnow disk, but since Memorex wa

Nice blog post on fixing a 1401 memory bug...

2015-10-18 Thread Lyle Bickley
I'm forwarding a blog post written by a member of the CHM 1401 Restoration Team. Excellent description (with pictures) of how 1401 memory is addressed, etc.: http://www.righto.com/2015/10/repairing-50-year-old-mainframe-inside.html Cheers, Lyle -- 73 AF6WS Bickley Consulting West Inc. http:

ADVENT on TSX-Plus system?

2015-10-18 Thread Charles
I have a PDP-11/23+ with 4 MB RAM and two RL02 drives. I can boot RT-11XM, then run VBGEXE and start ADVENT with no problem. But TSX-Plus 6.50, at least the version I have, has to run over RT-11SJ, and VBGEXE reports "Wrong version". And ADVENT won't run by itself (without VBGEXE), whether SJ

Re: ADVENT on TSX-Plus system?

2015-10-18 Thread ben
On 10/18/2015 12:02 PM, Charles wrote: I have a PDP-11/23+ with 4 MB RAM and two RL02 drives. I can boot RT-11XM, then run VBGEXE and start ADVENT with no problem. But TSX-Plus 6.50, at least the version I have, has to run over RT-11SJ, and VBGEXE reports "Wrong version". And ADVENT won't run by

RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU

2015-10-18 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of tony duell > Sent: 18 October 2015 18:36 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU > > > > > > I had another go today, but I fail to se

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread Henk Gooijen
Thanks Jay and Rod, you gave me a lot of pointers to check. I agree that getting a console working is on top of the todo list. However, I better put on old clothes for next Saturday. I want to have at least a look at the head lock and shipping bracket, but do not want to remove the disk out of th

Monochrome ECL monitors, circa 1990 - was Re: Atari Unix

2015-10-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-10-18 11:16 AM, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare) wrote: lör 2015-10-17 klockan 10:01 -0400 skrev et...@757.org: I was always under the impression that a few of them made it out there? I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has a VME slot (as they call it) th

RE: Opening a DECserver 90M External PSU

2015-10-18 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > I had another go today, but I fail to see how you managed to pry this thing > apart without causing much more damage than appears in your photo. What kind > of tool did you use? > Stuff sometimes looks better in a photo than it does in real life. There are all sorts of nicks and gouges and th

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/18/2015 10:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote: Did the disks for the original IBM 23FD "Minnow" floppy disk also have the sector/index hole near the edge, like the Memorex 650/651? The Minnow was used as a read-only device for loading microcode, and the disks were only factory written. I haven't seen

"Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Eric Christopherson
Hi, all. I'm looking for information on slang terms with the word "farm" in them, relating to computaters; especially the origins of such terms. I've known "cube farm" (a bunch of cubicles where office workers work) and "render farm" (a cluster of computers used for graphics rendering in parallel)

RE: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread tony duell
> > So, does anyone know what the first such "farm" slang term was, and when > and where it originated? And how about other terms with "farm" in them? > (I came across a new one the other day, but of course I've forgotten it > now.) Not likely to be used much now (well, not outside members of thi

Re: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Mouse
> [...] just recently I found a reference to "link farm" as meaning "an > incremental backup consisting mostly of links (most likely hard > links) to the relevant files in the preceding iteration of the > backup"; but this page [...] says "a website with little or no > content, consisting of mostly

RE: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Fred Cisin
So, does anyone know what the first such "farm" slang term was, and when and where it originated? And how about other terms with "farm" in them? (I came across a new one the other day, but of course I've forgotten it now.) Going back a ways, it originated with growing crops. Then, it began bein

Re: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015, Eric Christopherson wrote: > Hi, all. I'm looking for information on slang terms with the word "farm" > in them, relating to computaters; especially the origins of such terms. > I've known "cube farm" (a bunch of cubicles where office workers work) > and "render farm" (a clust

Re: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/18/2015 12:46 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: Later, it began to be used for moderately open land, with collections of other stuff, such as a group of windmills became a "wind farm" (Altamont pass). I recall a room full of a hundred or more disk drives being referred to as a disk farm--but I don'

RE: Atari Unix

2015-10-18 Thread ethan
I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has a VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board installed. I think it has a modem port. That is an AppleTalk port. Nope. My TT030 has 2 modem ports (RS232), then 2 more serial ports via VME card. The appletalk

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/18/2015 1:32 PM, Henk Gooijen wrote: > Thanks Jay and Rod, > > you gave me a lot of pointers to check. I agree that getting > a console working is on top of the todo list. However, I better > put on old clothes for next Saturday. I want to have at least > a look at the head lock and shipping

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Eric Smith
> To the best of my recollection, the Minnow used disks with 8 sector holes. > I don't recall the modulation scheme, but FM would be reasonable. Sure, but were the holes on the outside, like the Memorex, or near the spindle, like all later 8-inch floppy drives?

Haul of the weekend

2015-10-18 Thread jwsmobile
A run to a dark corner of Orange County yielded a Sun 4-260 and a DecServer 550. After loading the 4-260 the DecServer 550 seemed like a feather. Also in the pile to be collected, a stash of Hitachi ESDI drives of some sort (full high 500mb) Probably will be selling them. The storage cir

Re: Haul of the weekend

2015-10-18 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
I might be interested in smaller ESDI (<500MB) if they are in decent condition. /P On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 02:00:07PM -0700, jwsmobile wrote: > > A run to a dark corner of Orange County yielded a Sun 4-260 and a > DecServer 550. After loading the 4-260 the DecServer 550 seemed > like a feather

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/18/2015 01:49 PM, Eric Smith wrote: To the best of my recollection, the Minnow used disks with 8 sector holes. I don't recall the modulation scheme, but FM would be reasonable. Sure, but were the holes on the outside, like the Memorex, or near the spindle, like all later 8-inch floppy dri

Re: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Oct 18, 2015 3:08 PM, "Chuck Guzis" wrote: > > On 10/18/2015 12:46 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> Later, it began to be used for moderately open land, with collections >> of other stuff, such as a group of windmills became a "wind farm" >> (Altamont pass). > > > I recall a room full of a hundred or

Re: JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread Jules Richardson
On 10/18/2015 11:48 AM, Zane Healy wrote: On Oct 18, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: It came from an Aero Fighters cab - board says "IT-19-02" in the corner. I've no idea if it was a one-off for this game or if other games used the same board with different firmware. If you can

RE: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck > Guzis > Sent: 18 October 2015 21:09 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: "Farm" slang terms > > On 10/18/2015 12:46 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > Later, it beg

RE: "Farm" slang terms

2015-10-18 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, Dave Wade wrote: I can see that Antenna Farms is an older term, dating back to at least 1950, but of course as antenna's are usually in fields.. It gradually evolved from agricultural to ANYTHING, and then from fields to ANY space. Does it correlate with the decline of ac

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Paul Berger
On 2015-10-18 6:46 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/18/2015 01:49 PM, Eric Smith wrote: To the best of my recollection, the Minnow used disks with 8 sector holes. I don't recall the modulation scheme, but FM would be reasonable. Sure, but were the holes on the outside, like the Memorex, or near th

Re: JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread Zane Healy
On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Jules Richardson wrote: > On 10/18/2015 11:48 AM, Zane Healy wrote: >> >> On Oct 18, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jules Richardson >> wrote: >> >>> It came from an Aero Fighters cab - board says "IT-19-02" in the corner. >>> I've no idea if it was a one-off for this game o

Re: JAMMA board video hookup

2015-10-18 Thread ben
On 10/18/2015 5:12 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Oct 18, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Jules Richardson wrote: On 10/18/2015 11:48 AM, Zane Healy wrote: On Oct 18, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: It came from an Aero Fighters cab - board says "IT-19-02" in the corner. I've no idea if it was a on

Re: ADVENT on TSX-Plus system?

2015-10-18 Thread Jerry Weiss
On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:29 PM, ben wrote: > > On 10/18/2015 12:02 PM, Charles wrote: >> I have a PDP-11/23+ with 4 MB RAM and two RL02 drives. I can boot >> RT-11XM, then run VBGEXE and start ADVENT with no problem. >> >> But TSX-Plus 6.50, at least the version I have, has to run over RT-11SJ, >>

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/18/2015 03:56 PM, Paul Berger wrote: It goes on to say that when the first read/write drive was developed (Igar) the hard sector holes where dropped in favour of more usable surface are. I have seen the diskettes for minnow and and they where considerably less floppy than the later disk

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread Rick Murphy
At 08:37 AM 10/18/2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: I decided to look into this a couple of days ago, since the basic workings of FRTS includes using interrupts, which is not possible if running under time sharing. That would also imply that it would not be possible to use F4 under RTS-8, which I

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-19 03:04, Rick Murphy wrote: At 08:37 AM 10/18/2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: I decided to look into this a couple of days ago, since the basic workings of FRTS includes using interrupts, which is not possible if running under time sharing. That would also imply that it would not be p

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread ben
On 10/18/2015 8:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: thus making it also able to run under MULTOS-8. Memory requirements and availability is a different story, but yes, ADVENT will require the full 32K, as far as I remember. I think a few changes where made a few years back, It could be a bit smalle

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-19 04:58, ben wrote: On 10/18/2015 8:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: thus making it also able to run under MULTOS-8. Memory requirements and availability is a different story, but yes, ADVENT will require the full 32K, as far as I remember. I think a few changes where made a few yea

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-18 Thread ben
On 10/18/2015 9:08 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-10-19 04:58, ben wrote: On 10/18/2015 8:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: thus making it also able to run under MULTOS-8. Memory requirements and availability is a different story, but yes, ADVENT will require the full 32K, as far as I rememb

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/18/2015 08:00 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: IBM occupied a large segment of the market and was a favorite target for lots of followers. If you just observe the passage of Memorex through the history of acquisitions and being acquired and sold, it's truly amazing that Memorex still exists--as

Re: Oddball floppies for trade - 8", HS (outer edge), weird cutout

2015-10-18 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/18/2015 08:39 PM, Jon Elson wrote: As 3rd party vendors in the IBM plug-compatible arena went, Memorex was pretty large. We had an IBM shop at Washington University, but after the CPUs, practically the whole room went to Memorex-supported gear. They get 3330-compatible drives, later upgra

Re: Data General NOVA 4/C help

2015-10-18 Thread R SMALLWOOD
Hi If the terminal is rs232 get a break out box if you don't already have one. If terminal plug is a 25way D type connect pins 2 and 3 then see if you get an echo back. Some times the terminal looks for a control signal but 99% of the time pins 2,3 and 7 (ground) are all you need Speed, pari