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> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby
Thain
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> Subject: Immutability - was Re: ENIAC progr
I have one each of 029 and 129. I was never that impressed with the 026
to pursue one.
The 029 is in a state of disrepair, complete, the 129 is running when I
turn it on.
thanks
Jim
On 9/18/2015 7:16 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/18/2015 06:33 PM, Don North wrote:
Lucky it is not just scra
On 18/09/2015 14:33, tony duell wrote:
Are there any computers that do let you put microcode into RAM
now-days.
"Now-days"? There are some that do that, some of which are still in
operational shape. Some VAXen, in particular, have something called
"writable control store", which is essentiall
>
> The biggest risk I remember from the 730 design (I worked in the same hardware
> lab, different project: 11/74 CIS) was the extensive use of PALs. This was the
> first (I believe) project at DEC to use them, and they were basically buying
> all
It may well have been. Certainly the 11/730 is
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Rod Smallwood
> wrote:
>
> Is an overlay self modifyig code?
Yes (#2 in my list), but a controlled kind so it doesn't suffer from the
maintainability issues of explicitly modified instructions. But it does
require I-cache management, if the computer has an I-c
On 19/09/2015 14:03, Paul Koning wrote:
On Sep 19, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Rod Smallwood
wrote:
Is an overlay self modifyig code?
Yes (#2 in my list), but a controlled kind so it doesn't suffer from the
maintainability issues of explicitly modified instructions. But it does
require I-cache man
Some years ago I recall reading about possibly modifying TSS/8 to run on
more recent disks instead of the ancient DF32 (a whopping 32Kword fixed head
disk with up to three more slaved platters).
Did anyone actually implement the changes? I know it wouldn't work well on a
moving-head disk without
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 10:50:04AM -0500, Charles wrote:
>Some years ago I recall reading about possibly modifying TSS/8 to run on more
>recent disks instead of the ancient DF32 (a whopping 32Kword fixed head disk
>with up to three more slaved platters).
Or the RF08/RS08 -- luxurious compared to a
So does anyone have a trashed/dead front panel for a Data General S/130
(S/200 would also work) that can be a donor? All I need are two
switches/paddles/Covers, but my S/200 front panel is perfect so I don't want
to rob from that for the S/130 project. One light blue, one dark blue...
Crossing my f
Seems like a ssd would make an idealfixed head replacement if it
has to swap swap swap all the time?
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
In a message dated 9/19/2015 9:44:07 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
wil...@dbit.com writes:
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 10:50:04AM
Ed wrote
Seems like a ssd would make an idealfixed head replacement if it
has to swap swap swap all the time?
O.O
J
what is a O.O
jay?
In a message dated 9/19/2015 9:54:12 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
jw...@classiccmp.org writes:
Ed wrote
Seems like a ssd would make an idealfixed head replacement if it
has to swap swap swap all the time?
O.O
J
On 19 September 2015 at 17:02, Rod Smallwood
wrote:
> Its a while back but I seem to remember in BASIC you replaced a set of line
> numbers with another of the same range but different code.
Blimey, I've never seen that.
I do remember that ZX BASIC had a cool-but-dangerous feature: you
could get
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015, Able Baker wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Todd Goodman wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Well, here's an 029 (not quite what the OP was looking for, but good
enough for you all, I expect) for a not insane amount of money:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281796720725
On 9/18/15 2:16 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/18/15 1:52 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I need to check my shelves for specifics, but I have a lot of SunOS
documentation for early releases (1.0-3.0 or so) -- I can scan it if you
don't already have it in the queue...
- Josh
I don't have anything
On 9/19/15 10:34 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I also have a ton of stuff for 3.0, I'll see if there's anything I have that
isn't already on Bitsavers.
I'm working through 3.0, 4.0, and 4.1.1 this morning.
2.x would be good to scan.
Is the KV-S3065W working OK? I still need to write you with my
On 2015-09-19 1:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 19 September 2015 at 17:02, Rod Smallwood
wrote:
Its a while back but I seem to remember in BASIC you replaced a set of line
numbers with another of the same range but different code.
Blimey, I've never seen that.
I do remember that ZX BASIC had a
On 9/19/15 9:44 AM, John Wilson wrote:
later TSS/8s already supported RKs
as data disks, unless I've gone senile). No idea how they managed that --
UW-M's TSS/8 supported that. It should be in the monitor sources that we read.
I would think the fixed head media swapped faster than the RK's
unlessthee fixed head media was really slow... Ed#
In a message dated 9/19/2015 10:45:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
a...@bitsavers.org writes:
On 9/19/15 9:44 AM, John Wilson wrote:
> later TSS/8s already
> > Its a while back but I seem to remember in BASIC you replaced a set of line
> > numbers with another of the same range but different code.
>
> Blimey, I've never seen that.
A lot of disk-based BASICs had a statement that would merge a program from
disk in this way. Sometimes the program had
>> From: Jerome H. Fine
>> a list of the actual links to the other PDF files which are
>> available to be viewed would be appreciated.
> I should probably throw together a web page with links to all the
> PDP-11 files there (e.g. the one I just put together, of print sets
On 09/19/2015 01:12 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
I have one each of 029 and 129. I was never that impressed with the
026 to pursue one.
The 029 is in a state of disrepair, complete, the 129 is running when
I turn it on.
If you had a room full of 029, 026 and 024 keypunches, which would be
used first
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 01:49:38PM -0400, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
>I would think the fixed head media swapped faster than the RK's
>unlessthee fixed head media was really slow... Ed#
The DS/RS disks certainly weren't slow ... but an RK could still be fast
enough to be useful.
On 9/19/15 10:44 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/19/15 10:34 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I also have a ton of stuff for 3.0, I'll see if there's anything I
have that isn't already on Bitsavers.
I'm working through 3.0, 4.0, and 4.1.1 this morning.
2.x would be good to scan.
Cool, I'll do that.
On 9/19/15 11:12 AM, John Wilson wrote:
but an RK could still be fast
enough to be useful.
When did the 4K user space(s?) actually swap? Did they round-robin or swap
based on activity? I would think they would stay in place until cpu-bound
jobs reached their time quantum. With only a couple of
On 9/19/15 12:29 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I also have a lot of 1.1 stuff; considerably more than is on Bitsavers right
now -- do you have more left to scan for that?
I thought I did, but it isn't in the sun to-do directory
I also have a dozen or so Software Technical Bulletins from 1986-1989
If you really wanted it that badly then you should've bought it.
The only posts from "Able Baker" (whoever THAT might be) going back six years
have been about the keypunch
Dont' feed the troll
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:30:13PM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
>When did the 4K user space(s?) actually swap? Did they round-robin or swap
>based on activity? I would think they would stay in place until cpu-bound
>jobs reached their time quantum. With only a couple of people on a 32k
>machine, it may
On 9/19/15 1:45 PM, John Wilson wrote:
BASIC runs in your 4 KW with you. I've never seen its sources
The source is in with the UWM stuff. Look under
http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp8/ascii/basic
/TSS/8 BASIC COMPILER (BASCOM) VERSION 18
/
/REVISION: 13-AUG-71IDC/GWB/PJK
/
/C
there was a time I really wanted a tss 8 system to use and even
started colleting stuff for it in the late 70s but along came the 2000 f
HP system I bought and I headed in that direction.. which gave be an
HP destiny not a DEC Destiny. but still ... would love to fi
On 9/19/2015 11:45 AM, Toby Thain wrote:
Thank God nobody would build such a thing into a modern language,
especially not the one that runs in almost every browser...
No it just crashes when the AD server or Flash stops.
--Toby
Ben.
On 9/19/2015 1:30 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/19/15 11:12 AM, John Wilson wrote:
but an RK could still be fast
enough to be useful.
When did the 4K user space(s?) actually swap? Did they round-robin or swap
based on activity? I would think they would stay in place until cpu-bound
jobs reached th
Not feeding a supernatural being from Norse mythology is your suggestion??Good
idea.
From: Al Kossow
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: IBM 026
> If you really wanted it that badly then you should've bought it.
>
The only posts fr
Todd,
Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
interest in saving old valuable hardware. Not bullying them. Saving
substantial hardware involves a substantial personal investment in time and
money. So, Todd, well done, congratulations on your buy, and thanks for
takin
XYZZY. hopefully banishing the creature back to the cave.
Plugh (for good measure)
On 9/19/2015 3:10 PM, Able Baker wrote:
Not feeding a supernatural being from Norse mythology is your suggestion??Good
idea.
From: Al Kossow
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Sent: Saturday, September 19,
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 16:32 , jwsmobile wrote:
>
> XYZZY. hopefully banishing the creature back to the cave.
>
> Plugh (for good measure)
LOL!
I'm not in equipment acquisition mode at the moment, but I wouldn't mind having
a nice keypunch someday. And a pinball machine, too!
--
Mark J.
You're an ass.
I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes but don't piss in mine.
It's "common sense."
I don't give a rat's ass what it's worth as scrap.
* Able Baker [150918 21:10]:
> Some people have more money than common cents...However, you only overpaid
> for it by about $800.As scrap
Marc wrote...
Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
interest in saving old valuable hardware. Not bullying them.
Ditto. Offlist email sent.
Saving substantial hardware involves a substantial personal investment in
time and money. So, Todd, well do
> I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes but don't piss in mine.
I am pretty sure I need to start using this phrase.
--
Will
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
> XYZZY. hopefully banishing the creature back to the cave.
>
> Plugh (for good measure)
>
>
Y2
-- Charles
On 9/19/2015 4:41 PM, Jay West wrote:
Marc wrote...
Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
interest in saving old valuable hardware. Not bullying them.
Ditto. Offlist email sent.
Saving substantial hardware involves a substantial personal investm
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 01:50:00PM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
>>BASIC runs in your 4 KW with you. I've never seen its sources
>
>The source is in with the UWM stuff. Look under
>http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp8/ascii/basic
How did I not notice that?! Awesome! Grabbed and reCRLFed.
Thanks!!
Jo
Can't help you with a keypunch, but I was in the coin-operated pinball and
arcade game business for 25 years...
From: Mark J. Blair
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: IBM 026
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 16:32 ,
Hasta La Pastato a bunch of Intolerants
From: Jay West
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: IBM 026
Marc wrote...
Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
interest in savin
Subscription suspended.
Next topic?
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Able Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 8:06 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: IBM 026
oooh very thoughtful...you know your XY
Various items that will probably be of interest here. No reasonable offer
refused.
Hard copy?? You got it:DecWriter LA30 (modified to show lower case, yes it
works).DecWriter LA36 (Decwriter II)
Sun 4/110 floor standing model, 36 megs (if I remember correctly).Two SCSI
boxes that go with the
What do you want for the 4/110 + SCSI? I'm in 95112.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:51, Tom Watson wrote:
>
> Various items that will probably be of interest here. No reasonable offer
> refused.
> Hard copy?? You got it:DecWriter LA30 (modified to show lower case, yes it
> wo
Thanks Marc,
It may be a while before I get to restoring it but will definitely keep
you in mind when I do.
Thanks,
Todd
* Marc Verdiell [150919 18:36]:
> Todd,
> Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
> interest in saving old valuable hardware. Not bullying th
* Jay West [150919 19:42]:
>
> Marc wrote...
>
> Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
> interest in saving old valuable hardware. Not bullying them.
>
> Ditto. Offlist email sent.
>
>
> Saving substantial hardware involves a substantial personal
* William Donzelli [150919 19:44]:
> > I don't know who pissed in your corn flakes but don't piss in mine.
>
> I am pretty sure I need to start using this phrase.
>
> --
> Will
I certainly can't claim it as original with me (from a friend who has
passed who also used "don't sh*t in my mess kit"
If somebody has one that they will sell for less than $100, then they can
get away with saying that that is what it is worth. Otherwise, "value"
has no quantifier other than what some buyer and some seller agree on.
My parents sold their 57 Chevy station wagon for $50 in 1965. What is it
wor
At 09:55 AM 9/18/2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
>CryptoLocker has been around for a year. I don't think that McAfee nor AVG
>see it. "Well, it's not a VIRUS, . . ."
Yes and no. The bad guys work very hard to evade detection.
They're always developing new wrappers to deliver the old payloads.
The o
>
> > XYZZY. hopefully banishing the creature back to the cave.
> >
> > Plugh (for good measure)
> >
> >
> Y2
A hollow voice says "Cretin"
-tony
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