Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Nigel Williams
On 11 Aug 2015, at 3:05 pm, Nigel Williams wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: >> One could always implement a KDF9 emulator and then port Randall and >> Russell code (from the book). > > Both of those requirements are already done: > > http://www.findlayw.plus.com/

Re: DEC RX02-PA?

2015-08-11 Thread Jochen Kunz
Am 10.08.15 um 00:06 schrieb Pete Turnbull: > There's an official DEC mounting kit to mount 2 x RX33 where you'd > normally find an RX50 in a BA23/BA123. It's basically two side plates, > to hold the upper and lower drives together. I basically did this to mount two EDSI half height disks in my BA

Re: OT: Slow booting, was re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-11 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Chuck Guzis > Could it be that the presence of ECC registered SDRAM requires that > every memory location get written before boot-up can proceed? There's > 2GB of the stuff, so that could be the difference. I was going to suggest that, actually. Turning on ECC in the memor

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Chuck Guzis > Why all this DEC stuff about Algol? I probably started it; I just mentioned the PDP-11 one because a lot of people already have either 11's, or an emulator up and running. Noel

R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-11 Thread Mazzini Alessandro
Well, that was an interesting video. How long did it take to get it fully loaded ? The "service" Celeron board, is it interfaced internally to the rest, or externally ? -Messaggio originale- Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Guy Sotomayor Inviato: martedì 11

Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-11 Thread Sean Caron
I don't think you're allowed to run z/OS on Hercules even if you pay IBM, no? Or did they lift that restriction? The licensing on the image which Alessandro is referring to is undoubtedly questionable in the whole; I was just curious, since it sounds like he maybe had seen it before, if it was "com

Re: Still seeking 3B2 information

2015-08-11 Thread Jerry Kemp
Hello Seth, We were having a 3B2 discussion on the Sun Rescue list, and that got me to thinking about your emulator project. Can you share a status update? Is there anything us non-developers can do to assist? Thank you, Jerry On 01/19/15 01:45 PM, Seth Morabito wrote: Hi everyone, I've

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 08/10/2015 07:07 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: >> One could always implement a KDF9 emulator and then port Randall and >> Russell code (from the book). >> >> And r.e. ALGOL68, Peter Hibbard had some sort of ALGOL68 system >> working on the PDP11s

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 07:52 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, that was a pretty nice system. Certainly not the first ALGOL system, but a decent one even though they did put a bunch of Fortran-like ugliness into the I/O. As I recall, the I/O in the Algol-60 report was not particularly well-defined. Pascal

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 08/11/2015 07:52 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> Yes, that was a pretty nice system. Certainly not the first ALGOL >> system, but a decent one even though they did put a bunch of >> Fortran-like ugliness into the I/O. > > As I recall, the

Re: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-11 Thread Guy Sotomayor
It takes 20-30 minutes from the time that I hit the power switch until there's a login screen on the 3179s (not including the time it takes to IML the 3174 controller). So you can see, I did a bit of editing to get a 9 minute video. ;-) The service board is located in the chassis. It plugs i

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 08:37 AM, Paul Koning wrote: No, it was a CDC product, but developed by CDC Holland (at their Rijswijk office). Apparently it was created at the insistence of a number of CDC’s academic customers in Europe. Which explains why I never saw it at CPD SVLOPS. CDC in those days was

RE: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-11 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sean > Caron > Sent: 11 August 2015 14:38 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > ; Sean Caron > Subject: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System > > I don't think you're allowed to ru

RE: R: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

2015-08-11 Thread Dave G4UGM
The MP3000 red book explains how the system fits together. An interesting read even if you don't have one.. http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg245633.html Dave Wade G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy > Sotomayor > Sent:

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2015-08-11 Thread Brad Parker
On 8/9/15 1:12 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: This all makes sense - if one can reach into the CPU, it's definitely plausible to have an upgrade which expands the size of the PARs (unlike the ENABLE board from Able). I know I'm late to this discussion, but are you aware of this: http://bitsavers.trai

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > ... >> I suspect part of the reason is that Algol wasn’t all that popular in >> the USA even if its heyday. Add to that the fact that most computer >> designers weren’t all that skilled in software. And finally, as the >> RISC experience has

Fwd: sparc20 available in boston

2015-08-11 Thread Paul Koning
Posting this for another NetBSD developer. Please contact him directly if interested; I don’t have any additional information. paul > Begin forwarded message: > > From: David Holland > Subject: sparc20 available in boston > Date: August 11, 2015 at 2:05:41 PM EDT > > I have a sparc20

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread ben
On 8/11/2015 9:37 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Which makes sense; it demonstrates what nearly everyone now knows, which is that RISC architecture is a very good way to design a computer. *NO* (Not with a single memory bus, that is) Have gun ... will travel. -:) Ben.

msc 8009 docs

2015-08-11 Thread joseph lang
I'm trying to find docs for monolithic systems 8009 board. multibus I, z80, RAM ROM 2 serial, FDC. I see references to the board online but no actual docs. I'm looking for information (schematic) for the on board interrupt logic and bus interface. I've figured out enough to get CP/M 2.2 running on

Re: cctech Digest, Vol 14, Issue 10

2015-08-11 Thread Clem Cole
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:00 PM, wrote: > From: Brent Hilpert > > There was also AlgolW, supported on MTS. > > As MTS was being mentioned earlier I was going to ask if anyone knew > whether the AlgolW compiler was included in the available distribution. > ​The sources are available - they were

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Paul Koning > Every machine needs a fast memory system. CISC machines just as much, > after all the number of memory references per operation of a given kind > doesn't depend on the sort of CPU architecture you use. You're forgetting the memory bandwidth for the instructio

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread ben
On 8/11/2015 3:13 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Paul Koning > Every machine needs a fast memory system. CISC machines just as much, > after all the number of memory references per operation of a given kind > doesn't depend on the sort of CPU architecture you use. You're fo

Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Josh Dersch
Here at the museum I'm evaluating the use of a SuperCard Pro (http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP) to archive and duplicate 8" floppies from various machines. It's not technically supported (the manual states that it *should* work but has not been tested, etc.) The disks I'm readi

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > The issue is that upon reading back a disk that has been written via the > SuperCard, data is fine up until about cylinder 60, at which point bad > sectors start appearing more and more frequently (though most of the data is > still OK). I

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 05:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: The issue is that upon reading back a disk that has been written via the SuperCard, data is fine up until about cylinder 60, at which point bad sectors start appearing more and more frequently (though most of the data is still OK). I tried disabling TG

RE: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Josh Dersch
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:42 PM To: gene...@classiccmp.org; Discussion@ Subject: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro > On 08/11/2015 05:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: >> The issue is

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/11/15 5:53 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: Absolutely no idea -- the manual isn't particularly technical and the SDK mentions nothing. I'll see if there's anything to be dug up in this regard. (Thanks also to Eric for suggesting this problem...) - Josh You may want to try asking on the supe

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Jay Jaeger
Looks interesting - kind of like a catweasel using a USB bus instead of a PCI bus. I have only used my catweasel for reading, but in theory it could write as well. As for floppy emulators on the drive side, I have an SD HxC Floppy emulator (www.lotharek.pl) which I am currently using with an Alto

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015, Josh Dersch wrote: Thus far I've been successful in creating images of floppies, but less successful in writing them back out. Thus far I've tried a pair of Shugart 851s and a Qume QumeTrack 842. I'm using a DBit FDADAP I agreee with Eric and Chuck. A quick experiment,

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 05:53 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: Absolutely no idea -- the manual isn't particularly technical and the SDK mentions nothing. I'll see if there's anything to be dug up in this regard. (Thanks also to Eric for suggesting this problem...) There should certainly be enough horsepower t

Re: msc 8009 docs

2015-08-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/11/15 9:43 AM, joseph lang wrote: I'm trying to find docs for monolithic systems 8009 board. multibus I, z80, RAM ROM 2 serial, FDC. I see references to the board online but no actual docs. I'm looking for information (schematic) for the on board interrupt logic and bus interface. I've figu

Re: msc 8009 docs

2015-08-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/11/15 2:48 PM, Al Kossow wrote: I have it scanned. I'll have it up on bitsavers later tonight. It's uploaded to http://bitsavers.org/pdf/monolithicSystems it will take a couple of hours for the mirrors to pick it up. Did your board have a monitor/bootstrap ROM? If so, have you dumped it

AlgolW

2015-08-11 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Aug-11, at 11:06 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:00 PM, wrote: >> From: Brent Hilpert >> >> There was also AlgolW, supported on MTS. >> >> As MTS was being mentioned earlier I was going to ask if anyone knew >> whether the AlgolW compiler was included in the available d

Re: AlgolW (was: cctech Digest, Vol 14, Issue 10)

2015-08-11 Thread Mike Alexander
--On August 11, 2015 at 2:06:43 PM -0400 Clem Cole wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:00 PM, wrote: From: Brent Hilpert There was also AlgolW, supported on MTS. As MTS was being mentioned earlier I was going to ask if anyone knew whether the AlgolW compiler was included in the available di

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Mark Kahrs
I assure you Chuck, I do know the original B5500 ALGOL having written my first program on one. For those of you who might be interested, I sent a listing of the B6700 ALGOL compiler source code to the CHM. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Burroughs extensions to ALGOL to optimise|ize the us

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 07:23 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: I assure you Chuck, I do know the original B5500 ALGOL having written my first program on one. For those of you who might be interested, I sent a listing of the B6700 ALGOL compiler source code to the CHM. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Burrough