Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/14/2015 09:16 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: Other than clones and the like (e.g., from folks like Honeywell), I'm not aware of any other machines with a similar architecture to the 1401 and 1410. Name them? Well, how about a bit-addressable, variable field length machine that had not only your

Re: Microsoft multiuser Basic for the Altair 8800

2015-07-14 Thread ben
On 7/14/2015 11:07 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, Kip Koon wrote: Hi Guys, I have finally decided to restore my original Altair 8800 which has been in storage for over 30 years. Does anyone have a copy of Microsoft's Multiuser Disk Extended Basic for the Altair 8800? When I was in

Re: PDP-12 at the RICM

2015-07-14 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 7/14/15 9:53 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: The 8086 had four segment registers: CS- Code segment, used with IP register DS- Data segment SS- Stack segment, used with SP and BP registers ES- Extra segment, used with DI for string instructions as destination

Re: Microsoft multiuser Basic for the Altair 8800

2015-07-14 Thread drlegendre .
Hey Kip I can't help you with the software, but I just finished an Altair restoration (my first) a few months ago, and am still interested in getting the machine connected and actually doing something interesting. The Altair was almost totally below the radar by the time I really started getting u

RE: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread tony duell
> > My experience of FPGAs is that if you design a circuit for an FPGA it will > > work. If you take an existing design > > feed it into a schematic capture program and compile it for an FPGA then it > > won't. > > Actually, you can, and I have done so - provided that the original > machine was

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-14 Thread Jay Jaeger
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information available to do a Stretch. JRJ On 7/14/2015 6:53 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Jay Jaeger > > > I am going to attempt to do the same for IBM's 1410 computer - a really > > big effort. > > Now, the IBM machine you (or someone)

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-14 Thread Cory Heisterkamp
Buchholz's 'Planning a Computer System: Project Stretch' is a good start, but I'd be interested in hearing about any other technical sources that folks know about. -C amturing.acm.org/Buchholz_102636426.pdf On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > I wonder if there is anywhere near

Digital IDACS 11/07 Industrial PDP-11

2015-07-14 Thread william degnan
I have an interesting brochure, that is not on bitsavers (that I can find), for the Digital " IDACS 11/07 Industrial Control System " This is a stand-alone-capable UNIBUS PDP 11 industrial system made for analog and digital inputs with RSX-11C software, FORTRAN, PDP-11 DOS, COMTEX-11. If this is

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-14 Thread William Donzelli
> yes, but the only software that survives are diagnostic listings. > I tried and gave up trying to get the software from the person who saved the > Livermore Stretch Is he a typical "hoarder"? He can do a better job saving the stuff than a museum? -- Will

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-14 Thread Al Kossow
yes, but the only software that survives are diagnostic listings. I tried and gave up trying to get the software from the person who saved the Livermore Stretch On 7/14/15 8:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information available to do a Stretch. JRJ On 7/14/

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-14 Thread william degnan
I have a document that describes how to convert 709 Fortran to 7090-compatible Fortran. Might help imply what you'd need generally when compared to a 709, using that as a starting point. On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > yes, but the only software that survives are diagnostic

PDP 12 modes

2015-07-14 Thread Sherman Foy
ATT has gone wierded out on attachments for the moment, so I'm dumping all this into a long text ramble Jim: Please forward these observations to the appropriate parties, copying me. I am having trouble sorting out who started the thread and who is receiving replies. I will respond directly

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology

2015-07-14 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information available to do a > Stretch. There's enough information to develop a architecturally equivalent system, either in software or hardware, but AFAIK not anywhere near enough to build a microarc

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread Sean Caron
That's an interesting argument against using FPGAs in this sort of application; definitely food for thought. That said, from my (admittedly limited hobbyist and academic exposure) to FPGAs, I would expect the bulk of of whatever's being implemented would be fairly device-agnostic ... certainly you

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread Sean Caron
As well, some early microprocessors used multiple clocks i.e. the TMS9900. Best, Sean On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:28 PM, tony duell > wrote: > > If you mean 6 different clock sources (i.e. clocks delayed from each > other, etc) then that > >

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread William Donzelli
> In the 7000 series, the 1410 equivalent was the 7010 - architecturally > compatible, ran the same software, but implemented in 7000 series > technology. It came along in 1962. So that was really the last one to > be introduced of its ilk. > > Other than clones and the like (e.g., from folks lik

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread Sean Caron
I think a lot of things drive the popularity of the PDP-8 from nostalgia to historicity to perhaps the relative simplicity of the CPU to understand as a design example in computer architecture ... IMO the machine is just a bit too limited to be much fun to program in assembly ... although maybe som

Re: Reproducing old machines with newer technology (Re: PDP-12 at the RICM)

2015-07-14 Thread William Donzelli
> 1450 and 1460 came even later...but I have never seen evidence of any > of these actually being installed. Oops, replace 1460 with 1420. 1460 did exist in reasonable numbers. -- Will

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