Re: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines)

2015-06-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 19:19 , Tapley, Mark wrote: > He has a Raspberry Pi, which he pretty much contempts in favor of his > laptop, which will play the modern version of MineCraft :-P, but presumably > hooking those together might be fun. I suspect that boards like the Raspberry Pi, Ard

RE: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines)

2015-06-20 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. > Blair > Sent: 20 June 2015 12:19 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines) > > > > On Jun 19, 2015

Re: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines)

2015-06-20 Thread Mouse
> Is there a reason to prefer 7400 series over CD4000 series logic? If you can find real TTL, yes, I would say so. It's less static-sensitive and it's more tolerant to things like hooking two outputs together by mistake. But note that there are many chips that have more or less TTL interf

RE: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines)

2015-06-20 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse > Sent: 20 June 2015 13:54 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines) > > > Is there a reason to prefer 7400 series over CD40

Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-20 Thread tony duell
I am looking for any information on a National Semiconductor RAM board that I think goes in a VAX 11/730. My 11/730 (which admittedly I have not run) has 2 DEC MS730 boards and 2 of these NatSemi boards, I found another one while unpacking stuff today. It's a hex height DEC-type board with the e

Intel ipsc/860 [QIC tapes recover]

2015-06-20 Thread Plamen Mihaylov
I managed to rescue few tapes containg installation sw+c compilers, fortran and forge. While I was trying to make a backup all cartriges broke st some stage due to too old belts. The magnetic tape of 2 of 4 cartriges seems ok. So I'm looking for somone within EU who has experience in this to try to

RE: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-20 Thread tony duell
[Argh! Following up my own post :-(] > I am looking for any information on a National Semiconductor RAM board that I > think goes in > a VAX 11/730. My 11/730 (which admittedly I have not run) has 2 DEC MS730 > boards and 2 of these > NatSemi boards, I found another one while unpacking stuff tod

Re: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 07:40, tony duell wrote: > > Does anyone recognise this board? I don't recognize that board, but I thought I'd point out the non-DEC memory in my 730. It uses Camintonn CMX-750 memory boards, and I have a CMX-750/730 installation manual that I can scan. I plan to scan it

6 historic tech items that were rescued from the trash

2015-06-20 Thread Lyle Bickley
Thought this article from Infoworld would encourage all of us whose goal is rescuing vintage computers from scrap heaps: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2937725/computer-hardware/6-historic-tech-items-rescued-from-the-trash.html?phint=newt%3Dinfoworld_daily&phint=idg_eid%3D2511c0bc45ea0a66d3aef6f

Re: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 07:58, tony duell wrote: > > Oh, and it mentions a 'spare RAM chip in a socket on the board'. All RAM on > my board is, indeed, socketed. > If this is just an unused chip to substitute if one fails then I think I've > seen it all... I thought of throwing that idea out th

RE: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-20 Thread tony duell
> > In my system, the M9302 bus terminator (dual) and M7454 TU80K (quad) are in > the same row. Would this imply > that I could replace the M9302 with a BC11 cable to add an expansion cabinet > without losing any of the functions Yes, you can. The M9302 is in a 'Unibus Out', you can plug a Un

Re: Wright Line punch manual

2015-06-20 Thread Tony Aiuto
Like this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wright-Punch-Model-2600-/331580084313 I'm not sure it really needs a manual. I repaired one with a careful disassemble and cleaning. On mine, the cord linking the tension spring to the mechanism had broken. A trip to the hardware store found something similar

RE: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-20 Thread tony duell
> > I thought of throwing that idea out there, but having lived through the great > RAM famine the thought of a spare > RAM chip seemed kind of silly. Incidentally, the RAMs are all soldered on my > Camintonn boards. All the RAMs (but not the buffers) on the NatSemi boards are in sockets. And

Re: 6 historic tech items that were rescued from the trash

2015-06-20 Thread Sean Caron
I have gotten some of my best stuff from the trash ... One day I will never forget when I was doing my undergrad... the CS department had just gotten their own building (previously EE/CS shared a building) and they were cleaning house and moving out ... it was incredible; the gallery on each of the

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Tapley, Mark
On Jun 19, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > On 2015-06-19 11:21 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: >> On 19 June 2015 at 22:38, William Donzelli wrote: >>> Let him play Minecraft. Start with simple redstone contraptions, then >>> move to command blocks. >>> >> I'm not ashamed to admit

RE: 6 historic tech items that were rescued from the trash

2015-06-20 Thread tony duell
> I have gotten some of my best stuff from the trash ... One day I will never I suspect a lot of us have When I was at university I had official permision to skip-dive (dumpster dive). Got all sorts of things. Pulled my HP2100A + 7900 drive + paper tape reader right out of a skip. Nearly d

Re: Wright Line punch manual

2015-06-20 Thread COURYHOUSE
Yes, that is the one we have here at the museum! yea pretty easy ( compared to a teletype) but we just like to have manuals or copies of them for everything we have here in the various collection areas. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated

Re: Need DZQ11 (M3106) Print Set

2015-06-20 Thread Noel Chiappa
{Re-send, since apparently a lot of mail to CCTalk yesterday went into the bit bucket...} I guess I've struck out here? That's such bad luck; other things, there are multiple copies out there, but apparently none at all of this one... Oh well, I guess I'll start with the DZQ11 TM, and with an ohm

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread William Donzelli
> “minecraft physics” is already a derogatory term around the house. And, > whether I encourage it or not, he’s already into building complicated > redstone sequencers. I’m hoping at least to expand his horizons into > real-world projects. Good. He has picked up the ball, now let him run with i

Re: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines)

2015-06-20 Thread Steve Algernon
Its pricy, but my 3 and 7 year olds get a kick out of: http://littlebits.cc If you watch on eBay, there's a lot of the individual components and kits showing up after radio shack fire sales. My kids don't really understand what's going on except that in some ways they are obviously learning a

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 20 June 2015 at 15:34, William Donzelli wrote: > Good. He has picked up the ball, now let him run with it. Even in > unmodded Minecraft, you can do some amazing things with the redstone > logic coupled with command blocks (yes, Mr. Grumpy Man Thain, with > redstone you can have real gates and f

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread William Donzelli
> Of course, real hardware, real logic, and "real" programming are > significantly better investments of one's time and are much preferred > to Minecraft. Though, when you throw mods into the mix Minecraft isn't > all *that* bad. A 14 year old mind does not work that way. And Minecraft is like cra

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 14:49, William Donzelli wrote: > >> Of course, real hardware, real logic, and "real" programming are >> significantly better investments of one's time and are much preferred >> to Minecraft. Though, when you throw mods into the mix Minecraft isn't >> all *that* bad. > > A

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 20 June 2015 at 17:49, William Donzelli wrote: > A 14 year old mind does not work that way. And Minecraft is like crack > to 14 year olds. > Very true, very, very true. So how do we make a 14 year old actually get interested in real world things as opposed to Minecraft? I think that old minic

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 15:00, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove > wrote: > So how do we make a 14 year old actually get interested in real world > things as opposed to Minecraft? I think that old minicomputers would > help get kids more interested in real world things, since the > instruction set archite

Re: Need DZQ11 (M3106) Print Set

2015-06-20 Thread Paul Anderson
Hi Noel, If you have a minute, call me. Thanks, Paul On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > {Re-send, since apparently a lot of mail to CCTalk yesterday went into the > bit > bucket...} > > I guess I've struck out here? That's such bad luck; other things, there are > multiple

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Steve Algernon
And one more mine craft thingy, with a raspberry pi twist: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/withpiper/piper-a-minecraft-toolbox-for-budding-engineers They had these set up on pi day at the CHM and the kids involved really seemed to get into the physical interfacing and puzzles. Sent from m

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread William Donzelli
> Right. Get 'em hooked on Minecraft, and then it'll be easier to push them > into harder drugs like VHDL later! :) There is a good grain of truth to that. In complex Minecraft command block systems, a programmer has to think about many, many tasks, running in parallel, each triggered by real tim

Re: HP 2113e Battery resistor

2015-06-20 Thread Marc Verdiell
Ah thanks, this is what these are for, thermistors. They are supposed to monitor the temperature somewhere I suppose? Attached to the batteries? The power supplies? The computer won't start without these I understand? Sorry I am a bit of a newbee with HP 1000's. Have not tried to power mine quite y

Place for a build log?

2015-06-20 Thread Marc Verdiell
I like to do build logs for my more complex and long lived restorations or builds, so people can inspire themselves from what I do, and give advice (and encouragement, that helps too!). In one of my many other hobbies (hum, R2-D2 robot replica building, yes, there is such a thing), everyone put

Re: Place for a build log?

2015-06-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 19:43, Marc Verdiell wrote: > Do you have an equivalent for classic computer restorations? I see some > people have their own blog on regular blog sites. But I dislike the format - > it's posted reverse latest first, you can only see the latest posts at once. > Not anywhere

Re: HP 2113e Battery resistor

2015-06-20 Thread Glen Slick
I have only looked at the "B" version of the power supply as that is what I have in my 2117F. (Now that I think of it I'm not sure what version of the power supply I have in my 2113B). The details for that are covered in the 5061-1356 section of the 92851-90001_Jun79_9.pdf manual referenced below s

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

2015-06-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-06-20 8:06 PM, William Donzelli wrote: Right. Get 'em hooked on Minecraft, and then it'll be easier to push them into harder drugs like VHDL later! :) There is a good grain of truth to that. In complex Minecraft command block systems, a programmer has to think about many, many tasks, r

Front Panel Tech Note 5 - Options

2015-06-20 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Guys The combination of shipments going out and resposes to the survay (thanks everybody) have shown up some diffences between 8/e's. The first and most important one is the change of markings for the selector switch where they must have changed switch type at some point. Its t