Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-13 Thread Peter Coghlan
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 at 17:01:46 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: On 8/12/15 11:34 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote: > The posting email addresses are only slightly disguised and could be harvested > by spammers. Would it be possible to filter them a bit better before they are > found? > That horse is already o

Re: R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-13 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 11:37 PM, supervinx wrote: Older DOS utils like IMD or TELEDISK knew better about 8" disks and precompression, directly accessing the controller. If the Supercard software has been written with no 8" disks support it will be hard to manage writes correctly. My two cents It's perfe

R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread supervinx
--- Da: supervinx Data:13/08/2015 08:28 (GMT+01:00) A: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Oggetto: R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro He told me there's no Linux support. I should try Keirf's utils or access the hardware with a serial connectio

R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread supervinx
c and Off-Topic Posts" Oggetto: R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro Hi! A bit OT. I tried the fdadap card successfully reading and writing SD and DD disks, together with a standard ISA controller. Had to try a bit, since not every disk controller manages SD writes.  So the FDA

R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread supervinx
guy, in order to know if there's a Linux support. I've no windows machines, only some specialized DOS one. Messaggio originale Da: John Foust Data:13/08/2015 04:46 (GMT+01:00) A: cctalk@classiccmp.org Oggetto: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro A

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 07:22 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: One rather interesting aspect was that the DEC code did not alternate between side 1 and side 2 as the head advanced. All of side 1 was processed first followed by all of side 2. As a result, when a floppy media with a SS index hole was written on

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread John Foust
At 07:27 PM 8/11/2015, Josh Dersch wrote: >Thus far I've been successful in creating images of floppies, but less >successful in writing them back out. Thus far I've tried a pair of Shugart >851s and a Qume QumeTrack 842. I'm using a DBit FDADAP >(http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html) to deal with

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/12/2015 11:12 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the in

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
I went back to the FDD-200 manual. The signal is ILLEGAL PACK and is on the FDD200, not FDD100 --that's logical. Sorry, I've been distracted by personal events lately. --Chuck

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/12/15 4:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I could have that reversed--and that SS media in the FDD-200 would cause an "illegal media" signal to be asserted, but it's odd either way. I'll have to check bitsavers when I get time. An FD-200 service manual would be nice to have a scan of. I don't h

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/12/15 11:34 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote: The posting email addresses are only slightly disguised and could be harvested by spammers. Would it be possible to filter them a bit better before they are found? That horse is already out of the barn. https://web.archive.org/web/20141025044832/htt

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 02:22 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: ...and others, such as the Siemens FDD-100 (single sided) will output an "illegal medium" signal if double-sded floppies are inserted. Interesting. I think the single-sided drives I've dealt with jus

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/12/2015 3:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > ...and others, such as the Siemens FDD-100 (single sided) will output an > "illegal medium" signal if double-sded floppies are inserted. > > --Chuck > Hmmm. I have an FDD-100-8 (single sided). The manual mentions no such signal and only one index se

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > ...and others, such as the Siemens FDD-100 (single sided) will output an > "illegal medium" signal if double-sded floppies are inserted. Interesting. I think the single-sided drives I've dealt with just never assert READY, because they don't h

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 01:05 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Some drives, like the Mitsubishi M2896-63, can be configured to suppress the READY output if the second side of a single-sided disk is selected, or to ignore the sidedness of the medium. Mitsubishi refers to this as "Ready Standard" vs. "Ready Modified"

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > My drives are configured to take either index signal--so it doesn't matter > if the media is coded as SS or DS. Many floppy drives can do this. Some 8-inch double-sided drives don't care about which index sensor is active, other than to outpu

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 11:12 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the index hole in the wrong p

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread jwsmobile
I sent Al a link to my google drive copy of the archives thru 2012. I am going to create a 2012-2015 manually from my email archive of the group and add that. If you send email, i'll send you the link to my google drive public archive. thanks Jim On 8/12/2015 10:36 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > If so, I've been hosting an 'un-official' copy of the archives from March '97 > to January '05 here: > > http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/cctalk/ > The posting email addresses are only slightly disguised and could be harvested by spammers. Would it be possible to filter them a bit better before

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the index hole in the wrong place for being a Double Sided media - I added a

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Al Kossow > You can find a discussion about it in the archives (well, actually, you > can't). > Which reminds me.. > The archive have never come back to http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html Ah, which archives are we speaking of? The CCTalk archives? If so, I've been h

RE: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Josh Dersch
m and we'll see what the creators say. Thanks! - Josh -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:25 PM To: gene...@classiccmp.org; Discussion@ Subject: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pr

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the index hole in the wrong place for being a Double Sided media - I added a

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Josh Dersch wrote: Here at the museum I'm evaluating the use of a SuperCard Pro (http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP) to archive and duplicate 8" floppies from various machines. It's not technically supported (the manual states that it *should* work but has not been tested, etc.

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/12/15 6:26 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: The correspondent should probably check with the SuperCard Pro folks to make sure BOTH have been implemented. It is quite possible neither have. I know Philip ran into this with writing real media with his Diskferret. You can find a discussion about it i

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jay Jaeger
You and I were thinking of two different things: I was thinking of the reduced write current on the inside tracks, and you were thinking of changing the bit timing. On the latter point, I was incorrect. For reduced write current, all the controller does is to tell the drive whether or not it is

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Christian Corti
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: Aside from the write pre-comp thing which you seem to have in hand (and which is generally handled by the *drive*, not the controller, i.e., the bit timing from the controller does not change, as far as I know), one Au contraire. Write precompensation is

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 05:53 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: Absolutely no idea -- the manual isn't particularly technical and the SDK mentions nothing. I'll see if there's anything to be dug up in this regard. (Thanks also to Eric for suggesting this problem...) There should certainly be enough horsepower t

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015, Josh Dersch wrote: Thus far I've been successful in creating images of floppies, but less successful in writing them back out. Thus far I've tried a pair of Shugart 851s and a Qume QumeTrack 842. I'm using a DBit FDADAP I agreee with Eric and Chuck. A quick experiment,

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Jay Jaeger
Looks interesting - kind of like a catweasel using a USB bus instead of a PCI bus. I have only used my catweasel for reading, but in theory it could write as well. As for floppy emulators on the drive side, I have an SD HxC Floppy emulator (www.lotharek.pl) which I am currently using with an Alto

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/11/15 5:53 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: Absolutely no idea -- the manual isn't particularly technical and the SDK mentions nothing. I'll see if there's anything to be dug up in this regard. (Thanks also to Eric for suggesting this problem...) - Josh You may want to try asking on the supe

RE: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Josh Dersch
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:42 PM To: gene...@classiccmp.org; Discussion@ Subject: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro > On 08/11/2015 05:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: >>

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/11/2015 05:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: The issue is that upon reading back a disk that has been written via the SuperCard, data is fine up until about cylinder 60, at which point bad sectors start appearing more and more frequently (though most of the data is still OK). I tried disabling TG

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > The issue is that upon reading back a disk that has been written via the > SuperCard, data is fine up until about cylinder 60, at which point bad > sectors start appearing more and more frequently (though most of the data is > still OK). I

Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-11 Thread Josh Dersch
Here at the museum I'm evaluating the use of a SuperCard Pro (http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP) to archive and duplicate 8" floppies from various machines. It's not technically supported (the manual states that it *should* work but has not been tested, etc.) The disks I'm readi