>
> I have a few ideas of my own.. but for now, I'd like to hear other members
> thoughts on the matter. Ultimately, it might necessarily involve bringing
> the rights holders and/or publishers over on to "our side".
>
I wouldn't. I've already heard them many times.
This has been gone through nu
"Claiming that any MSFT product is "abandonware" is absurd. They DO very
much care."
You dang well know it. Do you even have any idea just how much of Windows
386 is still in the NT5 / Win10 codebase?! ;-)
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
> On 3/30/16 6:26 PM, Paul Koning w
On 3/30/16 6:26 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
I have a few ideas of my own.. but for now, I'd like to hear other members
thoughts on the matter. Ultimately, it might necessarily involve bringing
the rights holders and/or publishers over on to "our side".
Yes, that's precisely correct. And doing
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:44 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
>
> It cannot be overemphasized, that this is one of those situations wherein
> it seriously behooves the enthusiast community to sort this one out on our
> own, before some heavy-handed lawyer types - with big dollar signs in their
> eyes - sor
(As as side-note, it's of interest that arcade and home video game console
ROMs, from roughly the same era, don't seem to fall into the abandonware
class.. at least not so far as I have seen. Is this because the copyright
holders are most often large, visible corporations? Perhaps, but it's also
c
It cannot be overemphasized, that this is one of those situations wherein
it seriously behooves the enthusiast community to sort this one out on our
own, before some heavy-handed lawyer types - with big dollar signs in their
eyes - sorts all of it for us.. because we all know how that would most
li
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Sure, and that makes sense. This means, of course, that making a good faith
> attempt to get permission and then use the Google approach :-) is reasonable.
> What isn't reasonable is a blanket assumption that anything that's even
> mildl
the community DOES care about these things and only some
>> disingenuous types ignore the subject.
>>
>
> For the most part, the companies whose software is on the site don't really
> seem to care. A few of the sites have been around 10+ years and rarely does
> a
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Mouse wrote:
As I understand the term, the rights owner has to be nonexistent or to
have proved unidentifiable or uncontactable (re which see below). The
case where the owner clearly exists but demonstrably does not care
about the software is, to my mind, a grey area.
Disu
t part, the companies whose software is on the site don't really
seem to care. A few of the sites have been around 10+ years and rarely does
anyone speak up, mostly just Nintendo. I know the guy who runs Winworld and
he's not gotten any DMCA takedown notices on the site contents and to
> From: Fred Cisin
> All this time, I thought that you had to be DEAD before they could take
> your work.
Actually, in most jurisdictions, it's death+N years. In the US, thanks to the
sleaziness of Congress, and the spinlessness of the US Supreme Court, N is
now 70.
Noel
So, if you are a software author, if you won't SUPPORT stuff that you did
over 7 years ago, they believe that they have a right to distribute it?
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
No, not the same thing.
I think the more important question is/are:
Will the original author still *sell* it t
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
> On 30 March 2016 at 18:58, Fred Cisin wrote:
>> They define "abandonware" as:
>> "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general
>> guideline:
>> Be over 7 years old.
>> Be out of support by the manufacturer.
>> Be
On 3/30/2016 10:58 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
They define "abandonware" as:
"In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a
general guideline:
Be over 7 years old.
Be out of support by the manufacturer.
Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)"
So, if you are a soft
On 30 March 2016 at 18:58, Fred Cisin wrote:
> They define "abandonware" as:
> "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general
> guideline:
> Be over 7 years old.
> Be out of support by the manufacturer.
> Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)"
>
> So,
> They define "abandonware" as:
> "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a
> general guideline:
> Be over 7 years old.
> Be out of support by the manufacturer.
> Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)"
That's...yes, a peculiar definition, I would say.
A
They define "abandonware" as:
"In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general
guideline:
Be over 7 years old.
Be out of support by the manufacturer.
Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)"
So, if you are a software author, if you won't SUPPORT stuff
On 3/30/2016 9:12 AM, et...@757.org wrote:
Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and
legally farcical notion of "abandonware". The "definition" given on
the site creates the pretense that the term is actually meaningful,
but this is flat out wrong and misleading.
paul
>> WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to the preservation and
>> sharing of abandonware ...
> Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and legally fa$
Well, it _is_ a meaningful term (albeit with a fuzzier than usual
meaning); if people write of "
Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and legally farcical notion of
"abandonware". The "definition" given on the site creates the pretense that
the term is actually meaningful, but this is flat out wrong and misleading.
paul
Situation A: Lost forever
Situatio
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
> Quote:
>
> «
> WinWorld from the past, to the present, for the future
>
> WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to the preservation and sharing
> of abandonware ...
Sigh. It's unfortunate to see pe
Quote:
«
WinWorld from the past, to the present, for the future
WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to the preservation and sharing
of abandonware and pre-release software, as well as any and all
knowledge associated with such works. We offer information, media and
downloads for a wide
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