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Jay West
Subject: Re: Why women were the first computer programmers
but you admonish one publicly, and not the other that solicited the
response. What am I supposed to read into that?
M.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 9:40 am, Jay West via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org
I wrote...
> I did not say sexism was ok.
To which toby replied...
>That is, indeed, the message you are sending
No. It is not. It is what you are saying that I intend. And not that I have to
explain myself but historically when anyone posts something I'd like to
curb, I generally do it o
..
On 8/24/2017 6:14 PM, Toby Thain via
cctalk wrote:
Please note that I said to keep things in a historical perspective and
on-topic. I don't think that is saying sexism is ok.
On a technical list with adults, I believe that when someone posts something
on-topic which has portions you do no
I'm a little surprised to see a list administrator specifically calling
out a critical response to an original statement that seemed destined to
provoke one; and not including the original post and poster in the
admonishment. It may lead one to presume Jay sympathizes with the
original statement
Seth, my wife is one of those engineers that you speak of. She has 30+ years at
a 'well known global engineering company'. She has succeeded greatly and she
has done so specifically by insisting that she be treated the same, not
differently.
She discusses the stance that you wrote below very of
On 2017-08-24 6:11 PM, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
> Several wrote...
>
>> You may feel free to remove me from this list.
> And
>> Likewise.
> And
>> That's it for me and this list.
>
> I did not say sexism was ok.
That is, indeed, the message you are sending, with this weird 'reading
into it',
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Hanson via cctalk" Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Why women were the first computer programmers
>> That's crude, ignorant, sexist, and wrong.
> He didn’t call Rod any names or personally attack
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Seth Morabito via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> This is not political correctness. It's basic human decency and
> giving everyone an equal opportunity to be a good or a bad engineer on
> their own merits.
>
Keep in mind we can't say, with any degree of
On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk
wrote:
> I am all for female equality (but not superiority)
>
> The main reason for the unbalance is the same in all work situations.
> Its called Maternal Dropout.
> Women are genetically programmed to be mothers and child care specialists
I've been a list member on and off (mostly on) for a good 20 years
now. I've seen my fare share of flame wars, and they're never fun. I
would never want to add to frivolus attacks or general noise. But I
cannot let this thread go without feedback.
Every time this argument appears, I come back to t
Jay West wrote (among other things):
> On a technical list with adults, I believe that when someone posts something
> on-topic which has portions you do not personally like that perhaps the adult
> thing is to take the points that are in-common and expand on them, leaving
> the points behind that y
On Aug 24, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
>
> While one could argue about the intent of the original poster, one cannot
> argue that the personal attack - and namecalling - from Evan was acceptable.
> It was not.
Evan did not engage in either a personal attack or name-calling.
R
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Jay West via cctalk
wrote:
> Several wrote...
>
> > You may feel free to remove me from this list.
> And
> > Likewise.
> And
> > That's it for me and this list.
>
> I did not say sexism was ok. Those that are reading that in to it - please
> click unsubscribe as y
ry to hear it; you'll be missed.
Goodbye.
m
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Hanson via cctalk"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Why women were the first computer programmers
On
Several wrote...
> You may feel free to remove me from this list.
And
> Likewise.
And
> That's it for me and this list.
I did not say sexism was ok. Those that are reading that in to it - please
click unsubscribe as you are obviously looking for an excuse to do so
regardless. Or perhaps you're
On Aug 24, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk
wrote:
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> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay West via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> It was written...
>> ---
>> That's crude, ignorant, sexist, and wrong.
>> ---
>>
>> The above statement sounds to me as being intol
That's it for me and this list. If anyone needs to reach me on
vintage/computer/other subjects, please write to me at jsc...@archive.org,
ja...@textfiles.com, or @textfiles on twitter.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Jay West via cctalk
wrote:
>
> It was written...
> ---
> That'
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay West via cctalk
wrote:
>
> It was written...
> ---
> That's crude, ignorant, sexist, and wrong.
> ---
>
> The above statement sounds to me as being intolerant, hatespeech, and
> judgemental. Why do you think you have the right t
> On Aug 24, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Jay West via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> The world has gone mad with political correctness, and I will - at least in
> the very tiny corner of it that I control - not allow it.
OK then, which opinion is safely politically incorrect? Are women biologically
inferior to m
It was written...
---
That's crude, ignorant, sexist, and wrong.
---
The above statement sounds to me as being intolerant, hatespeech, and
judgemental. Why do you think you have the right to determine that and apply
labels to someone?
The world has gone mad with
Well, this is the stupidest thing I've read today.
"Do Not Feed The Troll" should go without saying. Really.
If this list becomes another partisan political list - I'm out of
here...
Lyle
There's nothing political about "men shouldn't act like pigs".
Once programming moved from formal analysis and form filling eg COBOL
into an interactive creative activity requiring unitary focus women
had to work much harder to compete.
Can women be good programmers. Certainly, but they are hampered by
natural forces that they have to overcome
That's cr
Oh, brother. 1955 is calling.
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood
via cctalk
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 12:15 AM
To: Brian Walenz via cctalk
Subject: Re: Why women were the first computer programmers
On 24/08/2017 04
On 08/23/2017 11:27 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
On 8/23/2017 9:14 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
Can women be good programmers. Certainly, but they are
hampered by natural forces that they have to overcome.
Men just move into the vacuum caused by this situation.
Well, this is
On 2017-Aug-23, at 9:55 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:45:12 -0700
> Lyndon Nerenberg via cctalk wrote:
>
>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, this is the stupidest thing I've read today.
>>
>> "Do Not Feed The Troll" s
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:45:12 -0700
Lyndon Nerenberg via cctalk wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >
> > Well, this is the stupidest thing I've read today.
>
> "Do Not Feed The Troll" should go without saying. Really.
If this list becomes another par
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Well, this is the stupidest thing I've read today.
"Do Not Feed The Troll" should go without saying. Really.
On 8/23/2017 9:14 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
On 24/08/2017 04:10, Brian Walenz via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
"Nathan Ensmenger has observed"
he's written a whole book on the subject "The Computer Boys Take Over"
https://mitpress.mit.
On 24/08/2017 04:10, Brian Walenz via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
"Nathan Ensmenger has observed"
he's written a whole book on the subject "The Computer Boys Take Over"
https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/computer-boys-take-over
And:
"Recording Ge
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
> "Nathan Ensmenger has observed"
>
> he's written a whole book on the subject "The Computer Boys Take Over"
> https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/computer-boys-take-over
>
>
And:
"Recording Gender", Janet Abbate (also mentioned in the ar
On 8/23/17 5:17 PM, Kevin Parker via cctalk wrote:
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>
> http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/careers-and-money/women-were-the-first-computer-programmers-then-men-crowd
> ed-them-out-20170822-gy1e8r.html
"Nathan Ensmenger has observed"
he's written a whole book on the su
This most interesting article appeared in The Age (Melbourne) today.
Thought it might be of interest to other list members.
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/careers-and-money/women-were-the-first-computer-programmers-then-men-crowd
ed-them-out-20170822-gy1e8r.html
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